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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by sticketfan, May 18, 2012.

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  1. Aug 15, 2012 #661 of 1671
    inkahauts

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    I am assuming that there is more profit per channel in the sports pack than in other places.. So yeah, it eats into their profit there a little bit, but still keeps more profit overall there than if it where just in a base package. Plus as you say they could justify a raise of .50 to a dollar to that package easily and not add that dollar to any of the other base packages.
     
  2. Aug 15, 2012 #662 of 1671
    tonyd79

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    Okay. Probably marginal, but okay.
     
  3. Aug 15, 2012 #663 of 1671
    inkahauts

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    Most of the time, after the first three or four weeks once the conference games start the PAC 12 has said that they will schedule games so that all games will be live on either a national channel or the pac12 channel for football.
     
  4. Aug 15, 2012 #664 of 1671
    inkahauts

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    So true....
     
  5. Aug 15, 2012 #665 of 1671
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    I think they are just scheduled on different times. They were when they were on Prime Ticket, they still had to share that channel for their sports. That also answers your first question by the way: Prime Ticket is/was available in San Diego, so they would have had access to all USC/UCLA games. They will still have access to all that with TWC, as they will do Regional and National in HD there. But there are some COX areas that won't.

    And yes, scheduling is tricky.... look at Ducks/Kings, Clippers/Lakers, 4 teams sharing the same 2 networks (until now of course) needing to schedule sometimes up to 4 games a week for each team. They had some overflow to 2 local channels (Lakers to KCAL9, Ducks to KDOC56). At least with football most teams only play once a week.
     
  6. Aug 15, 2012 #666 of 1671
    tonyd79

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    But it looks like to me that the PAC 12 is actually limiting the access artificially. If they had followed the BTN model, they'd have more clearance conference wide. Their method actually turns the conference into six mini conferences. Yes, all channels can be available but they aren't except on line. A Wisconsin fan is assured of getting all his games even if he lives in New England with most providers. Not so for an Oregon fan living in Arizona.
     
  7. Aug 15, 2012 #667 of 1671
    inkahauts

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    Directv needs a new plan...

    Basic plan as is now, cheap and only a few basic channels..

    Then have five extra packs...

    Choice, Family, sports, movies, and Hi Definition. Just like they do with the premiums. Let people add any combination of any of those packages.

    I know,the biggest difficulty with that is contracts, but I think that maybe DIRECTV is thinking of trying to head that way based on these PAC 12 negotiations, and other channels moving into the extra package earlier this year.
     
  8. Aug 15, 2012 #668 of 1671
    inkahauts

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    Again, it's all about the national channel outside the local markets. Where there any cable companies in Arizona carrying the regional Oregon channels?
     
  9. Aug 15, 2012 #669 of 1671
    tonyd79

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    I was talking about the BTN model. Most systems carry the alternate game channels as part of the BTN package. Not full channels. I keep saying that the PAC 12 overstepped. They have. At least at startup. Thy decided to make a big splash rather than grow organically. At the start it means they are acing fans out.

    And stop thinking of a conference as Oregon or Arizona. It is all of them. It is Arizona, Utah, Colorado, all of California and washington. You don't strengthen your conference by carving it up.
     
  10. Aug 15, 2012 #670 of 1671
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    I just checked my Comcast TV at my office, 2 Pac 12 channels are on in SD the Bay Area channel and the Nat'l Channel. For HD it's just the Bay Area channel.

    The Nat'l/local channels will only have issues the first few weeks of the season when there will be more than one game on at 12pm PT. After thefirst 2 weeks get through then it will basically be one game at each time slot (12, 3:30, 7:30 PT). At that point the local channel can show all the Pac 12 games. I am wondering if DirecTV may do the same thing and just carry the 6 local channels and not even carry the Nat'l channel.
     
  11. Aug 15, 2012 #671 of 1671
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    I dont know, but Basketball could be a different story especially for non conference play.
     
  12. Aug 15, 2012 #672 of 1671
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    There are weekly PAC 12 games scheduled on my local Fox Channel. I really don't care if they have 7 channels from the PAC 12, but certainly for some of us like myself in Pennsylvania, I doubt there will be a great demand. It would probably be nice if DTV adds the one main PAC 12 channel in this part of the country.
     
  13. Aug 15, 2012 #673 of 1671
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    The only cable market I have found so far that is out of market AND carries all of them is Time Warner Cable in Hawaii.
     
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    And Hawaii is prime diversified Pac12 country, though still out of market
     
  15. Aug 16, 2012 #675 of 1671
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    I sure hope DirecTV figures something out. I certainly don't want to switch to Comcast up here in Portland (haven't budged regarding CSN-NW and the Blazers) but missing Pac-12 College Football is a different story.

    I'm still trying to figure out what happens to all the RSN's that currently carry Pac-12 teams - especially ROOT-NW, which when this is all done will only have the Mariners and some of the Timbers/Sounders games. Will Root disappear? Will Root merge with some other channel?

    Anyone in the other Pac-12 markets curious what happens to their local RSN? or is this only affecting the Pacific NW (OSU, WSU, UW and kinda UO) and ROOT? or are there other regions with similar losses in programming on their RSN?
     
  16. Aug 16, 2012 #676 of 1671
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    I live in Maryland. We have two RSNs, MASN and CSN Mid Atlantic. MASN mostly exists for the Orioles and Nationals. CSNMA does the Wizards, Capitals and DC United. Both have large drought times and have backup channels because their seasons usually have internal conflicts. Neither exists except for their respective seasons. MASN summer and CSNMA winter. They both pick up stuff from other networks or do smaller schools. I don't think Root is in danger as long as they have one large contract as in the Mariners. Lose that and probably gone.
     
  17. Aug 16, 2012 #677 of 1671
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    Personally I think they should use a themed package structure.

    Start with "the basics", which is whatever base fee is needed to guarantee some sort of profit with a 2 year contract, which includes nothing more than all your locals (or, if not available, the DNS) and a small selection of 10 cable channels. (I think CNN/FoxNews/USA/TNT/TBS/FX/Nickolodeon/Disney Channel/Discovery/History/) No sports whatsoever. A package probably suited for those who want some television, but really the bare minimum with a small selection of popular channels. (Base package will also include shopping/religious channels).

    Then, add themed packages to your leisure:

    - Kids/Teens (Viacom, Disney, PBS channels)
    - Entertainment (A&E, TLC, Bravo, LOGO, BET and others)
    - Women (OWN, Oxygen, Lifetime, WE)
    - Home/Family (HGTV/DIY/Food/Cooking, and others)
    - Infotainment (Discovery/History and related channels like that.)
    - News/Information (MSNBC/CNBC/Bloomberg/HLN with hopefully also BBC World News, Al Jazeera English)

    - Sports Basic (ESPN channels, Local RSN's, Regional PAC-12 and perhaps some others like NBC Sports Network, MLB Net, NHL Net, NFL net, NBA TV)
    - Sports Premium (All the other sports channels including PAC-12 regionals, beIN, etc)

    I don't think thats going to happen though. Especially with channels like ESPN who pay steep broadcast rights for sports events, and are banking on the occasional sports watchers to tune in to their channel, and want it available to ALL viewers.
     
  18. Aug 16, 2012 #678 of 1671
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    The RSN's like Root and CSN etc will no longer have any Pac 12 games/matches they will all be on Pac 12/FOX/FX/ESPN family of networks. The RSNs that carry the FSN package will still have BIG 12 and Conf USA games (plus any local games they produce/purchase).

    The CSN operations (CSN Bay Area, CSN CA, CSN NW, etc) will no longer have any FSN games according to various sources they couldn't work out an agreement with FSN. So those RSNs could be very lonely come fall Saturdays without many games to show. Lots of infomercials....

    I watched the debut of Pac 12 live last night at my office, not a bad program with some really good analysts/hosts. A few still need to get more comfortable with their roles and talking on camera (Curtis Conway didn't seem very relaxed). Hopefully DirecTV adds it before the start of the CFB Season.
     
  19. Aug 16, 2012 #679 of 1671
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    The Los Angeles market is volatile right now. We had 2 RSN's, Fox Sports West and Fox Sports Prime Ticket, carrying everything: NHL Ducks/Kings, MLB Angels/Dodgers, NBA Clippers/Lakers, and MLS Galaxy/Chivas, as well as all the college sports from USC and UCLA.

    Because it was so jam-packed, they had carriage agreements with other LOCAL channels as well:

    Lakers & Dodgers: KCAL9
    Ducks & Galaxy: KDOC56
    Clippers: KTLA5

    Now, TWC is launching 2 more channels, with broadcast rights for the Lakers, Galaxy, and Sparks (WNBA).

    On top of that, everything USC and UCLA is moving to PAC12. The local channels are losing Lakers & Galaxy for sure. Additionally, the Dodgers rights are up for grabs after the 2013 season is over, TWC will be very aggressive the bidding.

    So in 2013, Los Angeles looks like this:

    2 Fox Sports channels, carrying: Clippers, Angels, Dodgers, Ducks, Kings, Chivas.
    2 TWC Sports channels, carrying: Lakers, Galaxy, Sparks WNBA.
    1 Regional PAC-12 channel, carrying: USC, UCLA sports of all kind.

    In essence, we are going from 2 RSN's to 5 RSN's, if you would tag the regional PAC-12 network as a "Regional Sports Network", 3 out of 5 are not yet carried by DirecTV. (And I am leaving the national PAC-12 out of this for now)

    The two TWC RSN's are said to be worth up to $3.50 per subscriber, the PAC-12 networks are in the 80 cents region, according to market analysts.

    Even if DirecTV manages to talk both of those down to say.... $2.70 and $0.50 or so, we're definitely looking at price increases in the future.

    And, of course, DirecTV will probably have a big dispute with Fox Sports when their contract is up. They will want to hold on to what they get now, but reality is that with losing Lakers, USC and UCLA (and possibly the Dodgers in 2013) their channel will be worth less. So I expect a blackout there for a week or so until they figure that out.

    So I expect a lot of very tough negotiations in the coming months and years....as well as a price increase come February.
     
  20. Aug 16, 2012 #680 of 1671
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    Yep and more than likely the LA market is going to have to have a separate billing for its increase in RSN costs.

    It also makes it so some of the broadcast stations may need to take a reduction in their retransmission fees. There is no way that the channels are worth as much as they are getting if they don't have the sports content.

    In theory if Fox lost the Lakers it too should take a hit in retransmission fees paid by Directv and others. We'll see if it gets there though.

    This mode is just not sustainable forever. I also think Directv should have really fought Viacom harder. I don't see much on their networks that someone would leave providers for. I wish we had an option to opt out of all of Viacom's offerings for the $5 credit they gave us.




     
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