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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by sticketfan, May 18, 2012.
Um, no. I wish BTN were in the SP. It's in Choice and above.
Update per @wilnerhotline who just joins us on @espn700 Deal with @pac12 Network & DirecTV could come as soon as next week, DISH not likely
In other words, Directv would carry the regional channels just like the local cableco's would, or just like Directv carries the other regional RSNs.
I'f the six regionals are carried, the national is redundant unless they want that for those who don't get the sports pack.
In a sense it is, but the regional one is beneficial for those who want to watch the coaches shows and non national programming e.g. Oklahoma St Arizona which could be stuck on PAC 12 Arizona.
Probably like RSN's, based on a zipcode check of some sorts.
A person living IN a PAC12 DMA will get:
- Regional PAC12 Network for "free" in a Choice package.
- National PAC12 in Sports pack.
- Other Regional PAC12 in Sports pack.
A person living outside a PAC12 DMA will get:
- All 7 channels in Sports pack, no "free" channels.
I'm thinking PAC12 probably wants their national channel to be "free" to everyone outside the PAC12 DMA, as they don't get a regional, (more or less like the Big Ten Network), and that this may be the sticking point in the deal. But that is just speculation.
Interesting. I would think for someone like my self that has CSN Bay Area and California that I would get PAC 12 Bay Area as a regional with the national in the sportspack. The model they have is not as good as BTN.
Safe to say National will be Full time CONUS, out of market tier TBD
Regionals in market similar to other RSNs
But will the regionals be full time HD and CONUS or just spot beamed with Games in HD CONUS like BTN?
So will all 7 be in the CONUS sports pack like other RSNs, that is the question.
From earlier discussions the following:
- Spot beams do not have unlimited bandwidth either, and the Los Angeles one is pretty full.
- To cover the Southern California DMA you would need 2 Spot Beams, possibly 3 if areas like Blythe and Fresno are considered DMA.
- Same in Northern California, Redding is too far from San Francisco, and you would need 2 spot beams there.
- Utah and Colorado are too far apart: 2 spot beams Needed.
- Depending on whether Las Vegas is considered part of a DMA you might need another extra spot beam.
You would need 10+ spot beams to cover PAC12, and on top of that you would need to manage the temp feeds for what is considered important sports. (And are Soccer and Baseball less important?)
In essence, it really is a waste of bandwidth to go National with 1 CONUS + temp feeds on Thursday, Saturday and Sunday (IF only football), and 10+ Spot Beams on transponders that are already getting pretty cramped due to the "carry one carry all" rule they need to comply with before 2013.
Not a great idea in my opinion, it would probably be cheaper to carry 7 CONUS. Less hassle, less manual labor during games, and everyone gets everything.
If they put all the regionals in the sports pack, the national channel is 100% redundant unless you make it basic and not in the sports pack.
Yep, that was sort of what I was getting at..... the National channel only shows "pick and choose" from the other 6 channels, nothing different. But with the National channel in Sports pack, DirecTV would probably make more money.
I'm thinking the negotiations are about these kinds of things, probably along with online access and what not.
But you put regionals in sports pack for everyone. Makes national channel useless.
Yeah it does, doesn't it. As you said yourself, the model was designed for cable. 1 Regional in HD for local region + 1 National in HD.
With Satellite, you could have access to all channels, and it does make the National redundant. Hey, they could decide not to carry the national at all, and just all the regionals.... and everyone would be just as happy.
Actually, we need the national network in addition to the regional ones.
The regional ones could be in standard definition.
The nation network should be in HD.
That way the "pick and choose" (best programming) would at least be in High-Def on the national network. If they get all six regional networks, let's face it, they will be in standard definition.
Comcast is showing the local channel in HD and the Nat'l just in SD currently.
Who knows. That almost sounded like regionals on spots and national for everyone.
Possible but I expect any and all pac12 channels to be in hd on DirecTV.
I think we will know when the channels light up and till then its just speculation.
I believe all regions are going to simulcast the national for "big events" (this is similar to a lot of RSN models) I am starting to think the negotiation is coming down to what about the National channel....
My current thoughts:
I think regionals will be in the sports pack (included for footprint).
If D* carries the national it will be in the same tier as BTN and now it is a matter of price.
If all this does happen, and like 5 or 6 of the 7 channels end up in the sports pack (or possibly all 7 channels), then does the sports pack go up in price?
Currently, sports pack is $12.95 per month (or $12.99, or whatever).
Does it go up? If so, to what price?
I doubt it goes more up more than $10.00 of what it currently is.
$22.95 would be the max.
If 5, 6, or 7 channels are put on sports pack, I will predict it goes up to $15.95 (so that's a $3.00 increase).
Most sports fans would think that's worth it, to get all seven Pac-12 channels.
$3.00 is nothing more than a 20 oz. drink, bag of chips, and a candy bar, out of the vending machine at work.
Not en mass. Imagine any number of fans from the "?away" team not seeing their game televised, thats a LOT of calls that will come. Much more than the post om Facebook, which is really minimal.