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  1. Aug 24, 2012 #981 of 1671
    tonyd79

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    I expected more differences in the non-live programming. Like the replays and coaches shows and such. Other than the live, I am not seeing any difference. And a lot of the live stuff is even the same. An for instance. The same football game is on all the channels at once. What good is the national channel in that situation? Why would anyone want to carry more than one channel? For a few soccer games that will be replayed later?

    Not buying into the model now that I am seeing actual programming grids.

    Maybe DirecTV can save bandwidth by mapping all the channels to one except when there are differences. Which are often a choice of TWO games, not the six it would take to make the model really work.
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  2. Aug 24, 2012 #982 of 1671
    BusterAvis

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    There are still a TON of games on that schedule.
    The Pac-12 networks are supposed to combine to televise 850 live events this year in 9 months (during the school year, sans the summer time).

    What's crazy, is they plan to eventually televise over 1,400 live events, whether that it's the 2013-2014 school year, or the year after.

    If they televise 1,400 live events, that's gotta be about every single home Pac-12 sporting match, for every single sport the conference has (with the exception of the upper-echelon football and basketball games which will be on ESPN, Fox etc.)
     
  3. Aug 24, 2012 #983 of 1671
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    Oh, you mean like BTN manages to do with ONE channel? :lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
  4. Aug 24, 2012 #984 of 1671
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    Yeah :)

    Only PAC12 would be able to do 12 teams in one weekend 2 teams per network, where BTN would have to stretch it out over many weekends.
     
  5. Aug 24, 2012 #985 of 1671
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    We will see.

    A lot of what I've read is that they are banking more on the web stuff for those 1400 live events. And they will not be first or unique in doing that.

    Right now, they are nowhere near that for TV and they may never get there for TV.
     
  6. Aug 24, 2012 #986 of 1671
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    And only the locals would see them that way.

    Yup, great way to promote a conference.

    More I see and more I hear, this plan is overblown from a TV perspective.

    Streaming, yes. Get on devices like Roku and you got something there.
     
  7. Aug 24, 2012 #987 of 1671
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    It does put it into perspective, though, when not even ESPN has 7 core channels, but the Pac 12 does.

    Let's see here: (ESPN, ESPN-2, ESPN-U, ESPN-NEWS, ESPN-Classic, ESPN-Deportes).

    That's six channels I count.
    I'm not counting ESPN-3, as that's just an online channel.
    The Pac-12 will have seven TV channels (one more than ESPN).

    It's kinda interesting to think about.
    But then again, Fox Sports has about 20+ regional networks it seems.
     
  8. Aug 24, 2012 #988 of 1671
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    There are quite a few football games being broadcast at the same time.... but form what I have been able to find out, it is limited to 2 games at the same time at best.

    I think we all agree that they probably could have crammed all sports in 2, maybe 3 networks, but that isn't the model they chose. They chose a regional model with focus on the regional channels and 1 national.

    It may take a season before we really start to see differences between the channels. As I mentioned, I read an article (I think I linked here but I can't find it now) about the start of PAC12, and how archived material was going to be an issue. Once they start creating an archive of games, AND produced shows, I think we'll start to see more regional based programming.

    I mentioned the "team marathons", but they can also replay the season for the local teams over a period of two to three weeks with 1 game every night for the 2 teams right after the season is over. We'll have to see how they will do the regional programming.... but since they had to start from scratch as the archives belonged to the previous RSN broadcasters, I am not surprised to continue to see a lot of overlap for quite some time. It probably made the decision for cable operators a lot easier. Doesn't change a lot for satellite though, they will still have to carry them all to provide the regionals to the right regions.
     
  9. Aug 24, 2012 #989 of 1671
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    Perhaps. But it remains a wise business decision for DirecTV to carry the channels.
     
  10. Aug 24, 2012 #990 of 1671
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    Archived games from last season or twenty years ago are FILLER. They are not ratings grabbers. With the exception of a few classic games, they are pretty much not watched. And even for a lot of the classics, they could be boiled down to 30 minutes (or even 5 for some) to get the gist.

    Team marathons are NOT a reason to create extra channels. They are to fill up dead air.
     
  11. Aug 24, 2012 #991 of 1671
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    I've been reading more and more tweets about how Monday (Aug. 27) is the possible/probable launch day for Pac-12 netwoks on DirecTV.

    Has there been any announcement or credible source that is leaking that news out?
     
  12. Aug 24, 2012 #992 of 1671
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    I know they're rebroadcasting classic football and basketball games.

    But will they eventually be able to rebroadcast, say ... classic volleyball, soccer, field hockey, baseball/softball, and lacrosse matches from previous years that were shown on Fox College Regional Sports channels?

    They would have plenty of time in the summers to show some of those classic events as well (especially on seven networks).

    But would they have the rights to show them?

    Example, would they have the rights to show a classic 2003 volleyball match per se?
     
  13. Aug 24, 2012 #993 of 1671
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    They plan to air 850, AND have plans to air 1440 MORE events, so that would put the total WELL over 2000, even if they decide not to do them all.
     
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    They will not be able to show anything that they didn't own the rights to, unless they specifically purchase those rights. They have done so with some classic football games because they are worth it. I doubt they are going to buy rights to other archives.

    Basically, they start with a clean slate. They can now START to build an archive though as now they have the rights to everything themselves. So in 2014 you may see "classic" games from 2012/2013. :D
     
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    I have only seen tweets that... potentially, a DEAL might be reached on Monday, NOT that the channels themselves would actually also launch on that day. That might take a few days at best after that.
     
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    You are still looking at this from the "extra channels" side. So many channels, so much bandwidth, is it all needed etc.... I agree with you on the matter of "too much wasted bandwidth", everything CAN indeed be put on 2 channels.

    But it really doesn't matter.... PAC-12 is doing something new indeed. A model never tried before in college. Whether it turns out to be successful, we'll have to wait and see. But if it works, and people are willing to pay for the channels, (or prevent people from leaving DirecTV) it is a smart business decision.

    The fact of the matter is.... it doesn't matter. The model has been set. It has been sold to cable. The regionals are being carried by their individual region. And PAC-12 is not going to create 2 (or 3) different channels to save bandwidth on satellites.

    So it really is no use still discussing how ELSE it could be done, and/or how 7 channels are a waste, etc, etc.... It will now come down to DirecTV either carrying the 7 channels, or not carrying them. And I think carrying all 7 is a better business decision than not carrying them. (Or, carrying only the main network for that matter.
     
  17. Aug 24, 2012 #997 of 1671
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    Lots of arguing the pros and cons of these channels, a few things to remember.
    1) the local and nat'l channels are set up for Cable/Telcos in mind i.e. the local RSN plus a Nat'l channel (ESPN). Comcast in the SF Bay Area is showing the local channel in HD but not the Nat'l channel.

    2) as Maartena said, there isn't as much built of stock of games/footage to show because they don't own it all yet. Going forward I would imagine you'll see a lot more classic games from each local area.

    3) While the Pac 12 may not be as well known across the country, the goal of Larry Scott and the conf CEOs is to build up their brand and awareness. They are also plan to take the channel into the Asia region where they feel the market is untapped.

    Sure hope the rumors are true and we can see some good news Monday! CFB IS ALOMST HERE!!!:D
     
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    Nonsense.
     
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    Having local channels does NOT build the conference brand. It builds the USC brand an the WSU brand.
     
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    Not sure what you mean there, they are not as much into building the brand here in the US. It's building it abroad throughout Asia and Austrailia. They want students/athletes to see those schools on TV and say "I want to go there, I want to study there, I want to play there."

    I can tell you first hand how much having the "Down under" connection has helped Saint Mary's College build up their brand. A school of less than 5k students has their games on reguarly througout Austrailia. They couldn't tell if SMC was bigger than smaller than OSU...they just know their best basketball athletes go play ball at SMC. It's a gloabl world...........
     
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