MPEG4 simulcast of MPEG2 HDTV channels?

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  1. Sep 7, 2007 #1 of 26
    Geekzilla

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    Has anyone heard of plans to have a duplicate MPEG4 feed of the MPEG2 HDTV channels? For example, it'd be ideal to have channel 70 remain MPEG2 HBO-HD, then have the MPEG4 feed redirected to 501. This would keep things constant for the older hi def equipment, and allow us with new equipment to take advantage of the presumably superior picture quality and smaller file sizes. They certainly should have the bandwidth and carriage agreements to facilitate this.
     
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    litzdog911

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    It's likely this will happen, but nothing has been announced. Your proposal seems possible. Hopefully we'll know in a couple of weeks.
     
  3. Sep 7, 2007 #3 of 26
    SWORDFISH

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    It appears that it will be done that way.
    This list provided by a CSR and posted at tvpredictions.com shows duplicate channels for ESPN,HBO etc.
    (Sorry I don't have enough posts to include the URL)


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    There are too many subscribers out there using the MPEG2 feeds and who are not interested in HD to change the existing scheme in the foreseeable future.

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    RoundRockJohn

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    That seems like a lot of bandwidth to keep around for legacy purposes.

    I'd imagine some smart people at DirecTV are doing the math of replacing receiver cost vs acquiring more bandwidth.
     
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    D* could just create virtual channels in the guide with or without simulcasting so we wont know until they launch or announce it.
     
  7. Sep 7, 2007 #7 of 26
    lwilli201

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    Moving or simalcasting all the MPEG2 channels to MPEG4 at 99 and 103 would help the LOS problems when installing for new subs. The bad thing is that there are alot of SD LIL on 119. Seems like we are regularly seeing post about people that have the 110/119 LOS problem. D* has probably lost many potential subs because of this problem. IMHO
     
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    Herdfan

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    I would think the last thing D* would want is customers to have the ability to compare and contrast their down-rezzed, over- compressed MPEG-2 that they have been touting as the best PQ available to a new full bandwidth MPEG-4 feed.

    That being said, they might very well mirror the numbers to the future numbering scheme.
     
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    Herdfan

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    Part of the LOS problem is that you need a signal from the 119 to peak the tilt of the dish. No 119, no ability to peak the tilt. So what it takes is a patient installer who is willing to spend the time needed to lock in a signal for the 99/103.
     
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    Poor excuse for loosing customers.
     
  11. Geekzilla

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    That's a really good point which I hadn't thought of. I guess I'll probably have to set my season passes to the west coast feeds of HBO & SHO then.
     
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    I live in Georgia and would love to not need either 110 or 119 for HD or any other programming. Everything on 99/101/103 and I am a happy camper. Trees in this area oftern make the 110 and 119 birds difficult to use. I barely get one over a (growing) tree and the other in a gap between two trees. I cannot imagine what viewing angles are like up the east coast.
     
  13. Jeremy W

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    Customers in NY and LA can already do this with their HD locals. So DirecTV is not against these comparisons.
     
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    The speculation has been that they will have both live for a while and then eventually drop the MPEG2 variant. And it's not really "wasting" bandwidth if they don't have enough channels to fill up D10s capacity.
     
  15. Alan Gordon

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    Jeremy W already brought up a VERY good point (80s), not to mention that Geekzilla also brought up the point that a consumer could notice with the MPEG4 West Coast feeds of HBO and Showtime vs. the East Coast MPEG2 versions.

    However, if DirecTV WANTED to, they could simply turn off all the HD channels in the 70s/80s to MPEG4 capable receivers (H20/HR20/H21/HR21)...

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  16. Alan Gordon

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    Yes, I expect the HD-DNS to be some of the first to go... and the special channels in the 90s will probably be next (after ST is over next year).

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  17. Alan Gordon

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    If they're not interested in HD, then I don't see why they'd care...

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    They probably wouldn't care so long as D* sent someone out with a new MPEG4 set top box that connects to the end of the wire coming from an 18 inch dish and their bill doesn't increase as a result. I would welcome any change for the better with my SD channels coming to my 'legacy' 18 inch dish. Right now, with MPEG2, 100% digital quality means 100% of the channels look equally poor.

    Did you ever notice how many legacy dishes are out there?

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  19. Alan Gordon

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    Yes, but the original poster was asking about simulcasting the MPEG2 HD channels in MPEG4... which would take nothing away from the MPEG2 only HD customers, and have nothing to do with MPEG2 SD customers...

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  20. HIPAR

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    OK. Sorry, I misread the original post thinking it referred to both SD and HD MPEG2 channels.

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