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Mpg guide receivers

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by wcalifas254, Jan 2, 2013.

  1. Satelliteracer

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    You won't be getting an HD receiver, but actually SD receivers. Much more memory, faster processor, etc, etc. I understand the reluctance, but at the same time it would be like having a separate highway system for cars that only make up 1% of the population.
     
  2. wcalifas254

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    Can someone give me an estimate of the time left for the mpg guide to be in the stream?
     
  3. Satelliteracer

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    It will be on a DMA by DMA basis. Some will happen sooner, some will happen later. Depends on the size of your DMA, how long it takes to transition customers off, etc.
     
  4. HarleyD

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    Well, the one remaining MPG box I had just got replaced.

    I was waiting for DirecTV to contact me about it but I logged into my account at directv.com and was being offered a free HD DVR so I took that and when I activated it I deactivated the old Hughes HIRD-E11.

    My only remaining legacy boxes are two R10 DirecTiVOs and where they are located upgrading to HD is not a priority. The office and the dining room with an RF out wire run through the wall into the laundry room. I listen more than I watch in those places.
     
  5. bobnielsen

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    IMHO, if Directv is swapping boxes why not replace them with MPEG4-compatible hardware? Converting all channels to MPEG4 will free up much more bandwidth than eliminating the mpg guide.
     
  6. HarleyD

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    While I agree that would be a step in the right direction it doesn't really free up any serious bandwidth until the last MPEG2 box goes dark.

    Until then they have to continue to use all of that MPEG2 bandwidth...at least for conus. Whether it is being used by 20 million subscribers or 2 million. It stays on until it's off. I suppose they could free up some of the LIL bandwidth if they converted entire markets to MPEG4 but then it becomes a question of are they going to re-purpose that bandwidth or discontinue it? Can it even be re-purposed for anything other than MPEG2 with those transponders or would re-purposing amount to putting new MPEG4/RBS birds into the 101 and 110 slots? And what about Latin America? Does that figure in?

    My interpretation was that by eliminating the mpg guide data they are actually freeing up MPEG2 bandwidth to better support their continuing MPEG2 subscriber base (not to mention just ditching obsolete technology and not having to maintain it)...but I could be wrong. If so that indicates the continued existence of MPEG2 for at least a while longer.
     
  7. P Smith

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    see in bold above
     
  8. dishrich

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    So will someone please tell me what MPG actually stands for???
    (I assume "PG" is "program guide", no???) I know APG means Advanced Program Guide & am very familiar with those receivers...
     
  9. HarleyD

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    Which satellites are currently devoting bandwidth to carrying mpg guide data? Where is there going to be bandwidth freed up by discontinuing it?

    I'm pretty sure it isn't the MPEG4 satellites.
     
  10. P Smith

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    Notes:

    you messing up technology: video compression vs downlink freqs [Ka vs Ku], modulation: DVB-S2 vs DSS;
    satellites doesn't adhere to video compression, as a tube to a liquid inside;
    please don't use video compression levels [MPEG-2/-4] when we discuss MPG vs APG;
    95W Ku GLA sat transmitting HD [MPEG-4/H.264 compressed video], plus DTV 119W tp24 is testing for same purpose.

    Answer:
    MPG taking a bandwidth less then 1 Mbps on each of many Ku tpns.
     
  11. JoeTheDragon

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    getting rid of the old guide frees up stuff on the backend.
     
  12. P Smith

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    if you will do real overview the MPG cease, then it would come to saving bucks for DTV itself - by eliminate equipment and operator-hours
    gain scattered bandwidth, the miserable 1 Mbps, on 10-12 tpns doesn't looks as real goal
     
  13. HarleyD

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    Addition by subtraction.
     
  14. P Smith

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    Someone could calculate total MPG bandwidth for 101W tp27 from a sample below.
     
  15. HoTat2

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    Transponder 24 @ 119w is carrying two live MPEG-4 HD channels. Spanish MEGA-HD 405 and TFTw-HD 408.

    Not sure what other test channels may be there as well.

    Tp.25 is a spotbeam tp.

    You mean "Ku tpns.?" :)
     
  16. HoTat2

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    In case no one has answered you by PM or some other.

    MPG - Master Program Guide.
     
  17. P Smith

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    thanks, corrected

    No one took the burden to calculate all MPG chunks from tp27 ? Tsk, tsk, tsk ...
     
  18. HoTat2

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    I'll add them (after I finish with a late breakfast here :D ), but are those x05XX PIDs the only MPG associated packets transmitted on Ku tp. 27?

    No other MPG packets on like PID x0009 on that tp. for instance?
     
  19. P Smith

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    You are right, I'll add these low-numbers PIDs shortly to the picture...


    Here is the missing part.
    Some notes:
    - null packets at 0000
    - 0001, 0009, 00b4, 00be are belong to MPG
    - 0002, 0003, 0004, 00f9 are sort of management: FW announcements and other things
    - 03f2 - DTV TiVo slices.
     
  20. P Smith

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    Here we come to dinner ... :)
     

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