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MRV dropping out almost daily on HR24's...

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Connected Home' started by bondheli, Jun 22, 2010.

  1. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    By the way...nice equipment/setup.

    Your test results appear well in the tolerance ranges as other have been noting.

    It also appears that you have the correction connections.

    Curious...do your symptoms happen without using the eSata drives - running off of the internal drives only....?
     
  2. my1423

    my1423 Godfather

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    The internet deca should be plugged into a power inserter on the side with the ethernet cable. Can not see this on your photo. Where does the white cable go on that side of the deca? Where is your swim power inserter?

    Should be lnb,
    Band stop filter If non green label lnb,
    4 way splitter
    then on port one of the 4way a swim power inserter,

    3 cables one to each unit,
    the one cable split with the 2 way splitter one to unit and one end to deca then power inserter for the deca. can see a purple power inserter in photo
    one cable straight to hr24,
    one cable to deca then directly to hr21

    You should have 2 power inserters.
     
  3. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
    LNB/filter sure make sense, but after that it's a bit fuzzy.
    The SWiM PI can be mounted before the splitter, or after it.
    The same leg that might have the SWiM PI, could also have the DECA & PI for the router.
     
  4. my1423

    my1423 Godfather

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    Sorry was editing while you were posting.
    Trying to push it should be 2 power inserters and possible bandstop filter. This could be causing the issue.
    Saw an install with 1 deca power supply feeding both swim and deca. The power supply kept tripping out and the units were powering the swim. The setup kept loosing sat signal for a few seconds and all networking would end till a reboot.
     
  5. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    :confused: Maybe you could explain this a bit more?
    I can't see how: 1 DECA power supply could feed both a SWiM & a DECA.
    The DECA can only be powered from the coax pigtail and the DECA has a DC block to keep DC from the DECA input.
    The SWiM PI works fine with the DECA signal running through it also. This is how I've been using it for almost a year.
     
  6. my1423

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    This is what the installer did wrong to do that on my friends setup.

    Deca power supply to,
    2 way splitter,
    from splitter one end to deca,
    one end to port one on 8 way splitter to power lnb.

    That setup would work for 15 - 45 minutes then loose enough sat to pixilate, trip the power supply, then reset. You had to be watching tv to catch the sudden picture freeze, then it would continue as if nothing were wrong but this would trip out the deca and cause a loss of mrv till a reboot.
     
  7. veryoldschool

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    !rolling
    "What an idiot".
    The DECA power supply simply doesn't have enough power to drive the SWiM. :nono:
    While this may not be the stupidest installer out there, he would come close, and would only be matched by the nitwits that think the SAT feeds to a SWiM-16 must have bandstop filters. :nono:
    Where did these fools think they could install a DECA upgrade? :eek2:
     
  8. my1423

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    No the idiot was the guys boss that insisted it was the right way to do it and that it was not what was causing the problem. I went round and round with the guy.
    The installer was just doing what he was told. What a mess. You would be surprised at how little the installers know in my area. Half of the ones i have met have 2 months experience.

    I went through 5 until i got one that knew enough and would listen to me to get my install.
     
  9. veryoldschool

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    That was the same problem about the use of bandstop filters, "the supervisor".
    EVERYONE was to be trained & certified before going out on a DECA install.
    The training is available online and frankly this is no excuse to not look at it.
    I'm not going to blame the "lowly installer", as this looks like the install company are the ones that are to blame for this.
     
  10. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    There's enough parts to it to warrant some form of internal "certification" for the training...haphazard and piecemeal, let alone remedial doesn't do the trick. We've seen some of each of those versions unfortunately.

    For the ones properly trained, the installs seem to go quite well. The others....don't.
     
  11. David MacLeod

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    company line...there is no training issue and all techs have passed tests that then allow them to be sent to these jobs.
    bullshiit.
     
  12. veryoldschool

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    "It seems" a few bosses are taking the verification tests for their workers and the workers aren't getting sh... for training.
     
  13. David MacLeod

    David MacLeod New Member

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    sounds plausible to me :)
     
  14. RobertE

    RobertE New Member

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    No, more like:

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  15. David MacLeod

    David MacLeod New Member

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    :) well I guess we now have ....wait for it... confirmation :lol:
     
  16. leww37334

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    Hmmm training issues with DECA, wasn't the one of the reasons the ethernet solution was dropped was because it would be too hard to teach the installers how to plug in a cat 5 cable?
     
  17. hasan

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    If you think there are problems with training and deca implementation, consider the complexities of home networks (which is a lot more than simply plugging a cable in), and you'll understand why DECA is touted over home networking via internet.

    Let's not obfuscate. DECA installs are far simpler than ethernet. The fact that some installers (perhaps many, in some areas) aren't properly trained in no way ameliorates the nightmare that ethernet installs would be.

    D* made the right choice. Implementation is a different issue entirely.:)
     
  18. David MacLeod

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    not just ease of use but also security. do you want to give your router password out to a tech?
     
  19. frozenpenguin

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    I am having the exact same issue with my HR24. It drops off MRV every day or so. My other receivers (HR20-700 & HR21-700) stay on fine. My system is wired correctly. Keep having to reset the HR24 and then it comes back up and connects fine. I may try a full network power-down/reset tomorrow if this keeps up. Very annoying.
     
  20. dwcolvin

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    Mine (and I suspect many others') don't ever drop MRV, and I have an 'unsupported' hybrid network. Something isn't set up right.

    Have you described somewhere exactly how your system is wired, and what your DECA readings are?
     

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