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MRV extra $ervice charge is unethical!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by twowheelchopper, Jan 24, 2010.

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  1. Jan 24, 2010 #21 of 288

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Dec 9, 2006
    You have every right to do this here on the forum, within the rules civility to others here.

    I don't like the charge, and if you look up my posts you'll see I've been fairly vocal on this.

    I don't think it is "unethical" as DirecTV's had the right to do what they want.This is a very hot button topic here of late, so everyone Please play nice with each other.

    There is no need to try to change others minds over this. We all have our opinions and this has been kind of beat to death already in a few threads.

    Some will pay it and some won't.

    There is no need to try to justify the costs.

    DirecTV currently thinks they can charge for it.

    If enough customers give their feedback, they may or may not change their plans.
  2. Jan 24, 2010 #22 of 288

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    MRV charge is unethical, but showing respect to Hitler and declaring rules for your topic is ok? Riiiight. :rolleyes:
  3. Jan 24, 2010 #23 of 288

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    MRV is a new optional service.

    You will need to have a proper network infrastructure (per DirecTV) for it to operate.

    Unethical? It's an optional service.

    Just because AT&T chose to offer something similar within the base price of their UVerse service doesn't make anything unethical. It might be a non-competitive optional service....but unethical? In no way. :rolleyes:

    If someone were to use that same kind of logic as found in the original post, I guess UVerse having a rinky dinky hard drive in its HD DVR is also unethical, since most of the rest of the world has HD DVRs with base hard drives exponentially larger in size for "no extra charge".

    The premise in the thread heading is simply an abuse of the term.

    Nothing wrong with an opinion....but if its based on bogus lingo....
  4. Jan 24, 2010 #24 of 288

    CJTE Hall Of Fame

    Sep 17, 2007
    I don't think any "MRV Fee" that DirecTV is going to charge is unethical.
    I don't like the fact that there is going to be a fee, nor do I like the fact that another price increase is about to happen.

    But I'm still here, still paying my bill, because DirecTVs service currently accommodates my needs more than other providers.

    I do like the MRV feature, and once hard costs are put out, I intend to review my bills and see if I can squeeze it in.
    I don't think I'd pay more than $3.95 for it though.
  5. Jan 24, 2010 #25 of 288

    bgottschalk Icon

    Aug 30, 2007
    I don't like the MRV charge any more than I do any other charge. Free is always better... :D

    But it all comes down to what services do I want and what am I willing to pay for. I recently downgraded from the premier package to not having any premium channels because we simply don't watch enough movies from those channels to make it worth the fee.

    I do however use MRV all the time and find that I'm not sure I want to live without it. So, I'm sure I will pay once they start charging. However, at that time I may find that I don't really watch the HD Extra Pack channels enough to keep them...my choice. ;)
  6. Jan 24, 2010 #26 of 288
    Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

    Jun 18, 2006
    Folks, as far as I know Adolf Hitler is dead and did not have DIRECTV service, as that would have required a time machine. Let's not bring him into this discussion.
  7. Jan 24, 2010 #27 of 288

    mikeny Hall Of Fame

    Aug 20, 2006
    There's plenty of debate on this issue in the stickied 'opt-in beta thread' above.

    Plenty of people in that thread (myself included) think the charge is unfair.

    Is unethical a synonym for unfair? I think so.

    The use of either of those terms is of course an opinion. DirecTV has the right to feel otherwise. They also have the right to charge a fee, even if they themselves feel and know that it is a duplicative, redundant fee.

    We have the right to go along or not.
  8. Jan 24, 2010 #28 of 288

    GrumpyBear Hall Of Fame

    Feb 1, 2006
    Personally I think the Unethical part should be changed in as big of a font as possible, to HIGHLY DISAPPOINTED.
    Just how many yrs has MRV been dangled to users on this forum, and to Direct users as well as an up and coming feature, not an up and coming service?
    Features are normally considered part of the package, if early on MRV would have been pushed as an up and coming service, I don't think you would have this problem. To many people here have been waiting for this, just to find out oh if you want it, PAY FOR IT. I can agree if you NEED Deca to make it work, fine a charge for it, but if your house already supports the network requirements, why?
  9. Jan 24, 2010 #29 of 288

    Athlon646464 Gold Members DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    Is it hard to understand if it's really 'free' on other providers?

    For example, if their 'base' price is more than D*'s, but they don't charge (or 'break out' the charge on the bill), is it really 'free'?

    I don't think anything is 'free'.

    When I decided to move to D*, I compared what I want for TV service (and only what I want) in terms of channels, quality of service and features. I matched up those three things as best I could with what is available at my address.

    I then chose what looked to me to be the best value. When rates change, I do that again. So far, at least for me, D* continues to win out - even with another couple of bucks per month for MRV (which I will use).

    Am I happy to pay more per month? Not at all, but for me and the packages and features I use, D* is the best deal so far.

    My 2 cents.

  10. Jan 24, 2010 #30 of 288

    dpeters11 Hall Of Fame

    May 30, 2007
    I've never had Dish, but from what I understand of their service, it cannot fairly be compared to MRV. For one, MRV supports HD and while it will be unsupported, works over wifi.
  11. Jan 24, 2010 #31 of 288
    Mike Greer

    Mike Greer Hall Of Fame

    Jan 20, 2004
    Salt Lake...
    If they can make it work I'd be willing to pay at least something for it just to be able to record more than 2 steams that can can be view from 1 box.

    They do have a long way to go before I'll pay, FF sucks and the 5-10 second delay when pushing a button is just too much!
  12. Jan 24, 2010 #32 of 288

    jal Icon

    Mar 3, 2005
    The charge is offensive. Directv is turning into Dish Network: every little thing is an extra charge.
  13. Jan 24, 2010 #33 of 288

    Billzebub Godfather

    Jan 1, 2007
    Pittsburgh, PA
    I'm willing to pay a reasonable price, but only if it works properly. I can't hardwire my receivers so right now my only option is wireless. Since I have the verizon G router it doesn't work well with HD. If DECA rolls out some time this year and I can convert without re-mortgaging my house I think it might be worth the price. As mentioned by someone earlier, I can then record 6 things at once and triple my storage space,
  14. Jan 24, 2010 #34 of 288

    CCarncross Hall Of Fame

    Jul 19, 2005
    Unethical is the wrong term to use to describe something that is an optional service....you don't like it fine, but don't post plain wrong info...
  15. Jan 24, 2010 #35 of 288

    GrumpyBear Hall Of Fame

    Feb 1, 2006
    You would think though, Direct would Stop calling this a Feature, and Start calling it a
    Service. All the Beta PDF's and other links Direct still calls MRV a Feature, Features are part of the product and built in. A Service is an extra cost item, and Direct REALLY needs Stop calling MRV a FEATURE.
  16. Jan 24, 2010 #36 of 288

    ben4408 New Member

    Sep 14, 2008
    I know D has the right to charge what it wants but there is a point at which it becomes difficult to justify the price of the service/feature. I think that point is approaching.

    It also makes me some what angry when people shot back with the "if you do not like it don't pay for it, you have a choice" response. I actually have very little choice. It's D or E (similar price similar quality) or my local communication coop (much cheaper-inferior quality, fewer stations, less hd). I know many people whose only options are D or E (no cable providers & no local station reception) what choice do they have. The truth of the matter is that there is really no other choice otherwise prices would not continually rise (or is it possible that there is collusion between major content providers, that would seem illegal & unethical). I think i that mirroring & a proposed mrv fee are unreasonable & unethical. I do not understand why they just do not include all fees in their package pricing.

    I doubt I will be renewing with directv when my contract is up.
  17. Jan 24, 2010 #37 of 288

    Milkman Hall Of Fame

    Dec 6, 2006
    First, I will say that I don't agree with this extra charge on top of what we already pay since I believe that development costs already paid for with DVR charge IMO, since nothing to this point has been charged, yet receiver keeps getting software updates.

    BUT I will tell you that the PDFs, and posts that you are referring to are DBSTalk.com posts/PDFs, and are not official DirecTV documents. That is just the terminology some chose to use.

    I am not saying that the terminology is right or wrong, but just separating DBSTalk from DirecTV a little bit.
  18. Jan 24, 2010 #38 of 288
    Scott Kocourek

    Scott Kocourek Well-Known Member

    Jun 13, 2009
    The definition of unethical according to answers.com is:

    Dishonest (Disposed to lie, cheat, defraud or deceive) or

    Immoral (Evil or degenerate)

    I am pretty sure that giving someone an option is neither of these things.
  19. Jan 24, 2010 #39 of 288

    Athlon646464 Gold Members DBSTalk Gold Club

    Feb 23, 2007
    Uxbridge, MA
    Contradictory - They have the 'right', but it is 'unethical'?

    If they have priced themselves beyond your perceived value of their service, then don't pay them.

    If they included everything in their package pricing, then it seems their package prices would most certainly rise. Would it be 'free' to you just because it is a hidden cost like with some other providers?

    I prefer the ala carte way myself, so I don't have to pay for something I won't use.
  20. Jan 24, 2010 #40 of 288

    GrumpyBear Hall Of Fame

    Feb 1, 2006
    No it is VERY important to seperate DBSTALK and DIRECT offical statements.
    DBSTALK is a great and useful site, but Rather its Direct or Dish, it is unoffical(granted the info here is better than what you will get from either Direct or Dish).
    Hats off to the DBSTALK people that created the document(s) and links. I thought they had just taken a Direct Powerpoint and put it into PDF, is that is incorrect I am sorry.
    I still say All talk about MRV, should be changed from a Feature to a Service. Multi-Room Viewing HD DVR Service, Not Mult-Room Viewing HD DVR Feature.
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