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MRV extra $ervice charge is unethical!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by twowheelchopper, Jan 24, 2010.

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  1. Jan 24, 2010 #81 of 288

    armophob Difficulty Concen........

    Nov 13, 2006
    Fort Pierce, FL
    Weee another MRV Fee thread!!

    I have calmed down over this issue. Directv has made a poor decision in my eyes to charge for this. I will not pay for it. I can get around it with physical wiring.

    I will say 2 things about it however.
    1. I think they are playing catch up with the alternative providers with one central dvr that set top boxes can access from any tv. This should be a sell point without extra fees.
    2. After constantly boasting about my Directv service and its advantages to family, friends, and co-workers. I have stopped since I heard news of this. I do not speak poorly of my service. I simply do not have any more pride in my provider. I just am very disappointed with the greed involved.
  2. Jan 24, 2010 #82 of 288

    Herdfan Well-Known Member

    Mar 18, 2006
    Actually, it seems unethical. :lol:
  3. Jan 24, 2010 #83 of 288

    Herdfan Well-Known Member

    Mar 18, 2006
    Not sure if there are any limitations on FIOS, but comparing AT&T implementation to DirecTV's is not really apples to apples.
  4. Jan 24, 2010 #84 of 288
    dodge boy

    dodge boy R.I.P. Chris Henry

    Mar 31, 2006
    I love mrv, but I don't want DECA and I won't pay if my set up is not supported, after all when it/if it fails I'm on my own to get it working again. Besides I don't think D* would replace wireless routers with DDWRT installed on them, nor would I want them too.
  5. Jan 24, 2010 #85 of 288
    Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    Which had nothing to do with DLB. :)

    Now :backtotop

  6. Jan 24, 2010 #86 of 288
    Mike Bertelson

    Mike Bertelson 6EQUJ5 WOW! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 24, 2007
    I don't think it's unethical but, IMHO, it's bad business. Especially since they just started airing a commercial about the excessive fees of Dish Network. :mad:

    I have to say I'd rather pay the additional receiver fee on a DVR and be able to pause live TV then have to pay an additional receiver feed AND the MRV fee and only watch live TV or recordings from another DVR.

    I use DoublePlay and pause live TV often so the concept of a Whole Home DVR and standalone receivers is, IMHO, a step backward. With a standalone receiver I can’t pause live TV and I can’t swap tuners and yet it’s going to cost more money to NOT have these functions. I don’t get it.

    Further I don’t see why I should have to pay for a service that uses my hardware to work. I ran the wire; I bought the hardware; I built the network. And yet, I’m going to be asked to pay to use a service that needs my hardware to work. Even if they’re connected via DECA they still need my home network to get to the internet for DOD.

    With all the complaints on the forums about the functional short comings of the HR2x series, MRV is poised to leap frog it back into contention...but wait, DirecTV wants charge a fee for it. IMHO, that would be another step backward.

    It's probably gonna happen but I don't think it's a good idea and that's all I have to say about it.

  7. Jan 24, 2010 #87 of 288

    lflorack Godfather

    Dec 16, 2006
  8. Jan 24, 2010 #88 of 288

    JeffBowser blah blah blah

    Dec 21, 2006
    Pride? It's just TV. I neither take pride nor take shame in it. It just is. I chose my provider based on past experiences with Comcast. I neither encourage nor discourage someone about their choice of TV providers. It's not an important thing in life. There is far too much emotion invested in a medium that is solely dedicated to shaping our opinions and making us want to buy things. Heads up folks - there is no pure entertainment anymore. It's all geared towards influencing opinion and buying habits.

  9. Jan 24, 2010 #89 of 288

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    Here's one from Doug Brott that sounded quite "official":


    Caution: make sure you understand the context of the thread that this post was recorded in. The thread was very divisive (very much like this one) at the time and the question had been asked ad nauseum from the moment that it was discovered missing from the HR20 feature set.
  10. Jan 24, 2010 #90 of 288

    DogLover Hall Of Fame

    Mar 18, 2007
    You ask for a discussion of "why there is a charge for it". Economics 101: The are going to charge for it, because they believe they will make more money if they do, then if they don't. There is no other reason. (There may be many justifications, many calculations of the best fee to charge, but there are no other reasons.)

    They are not a utility that just ask for permission to increase rates, therefore, they do not need to have any other reason. There is no requirement that what they charge for their service have any relationship at all to what it costs to provide that service. (Though of course if they don't make more than their expenses, they will eventually go out of business.)

    With any product or service I purchase, it's a strict cost/benefit analysis. I don't care how they want to enumerate the charges, except in how it relates to which charges I pay to get the features I want. If my ISP charge by device, I would recalculate my charges, considering the likelyhood of adding new devices (and what that would cost), compare that price to other providers, then make my decision.

    I am probably more frugal than the next person, but I do understand that each person's determination of cost/benefit is different. Each person will have to choose if the benefit of MRV is worth the cost. There is no right or wrong, but what each person chooses to do.
  11. Jan 24, 2010 #91 of 288

    JoeTheDragon Hall Of Fame

    Jul 21, 2008
    HD Extra pak is stuff that is only in HD.

    I can see discovery hd theater and maybe HD Net moving there.

    But putting stuff that is the same as the SD channel in there?
  12. Jan 24, 2010 #92 of 288

    armophob Difficulty Concen........

    Nov 13, 2006
    Fort Pierce, FL
    Yes sir, I understand you do not find tv important. We disagree. That's ok. It is a very large part of my life. Just over food and shelter some days.
    What I meant by that statement is that given my tv and its service is such a large part of my life, I used to boast about it. And when asked by someone looking to choose or change providers, I would happily list the advantages of Directv.
    I have simply just lost my taste for this company over this last final greedy grab for another buck from loyal users and no longer would suggest it over others like in the past.
  13. Jan 24, 2010 #93 of 288

    CJTE Hall Of Fame

    Sep 17, 2007
    Absolutely. And a lot of us stood behind that statement (or others similar to it), whether we liked it or not.
    At the time, DirecTV hadn't made anyone aware of any intentions to offer DLB/Doube Play.

    (The rest of this isn't aimed directly at you Harsh, neither was the above statement, but it made sense to quote you for reference)

    I don't see how that applies to MRV though.
    At that time, DirecTV hadn't made anyone aware of intentions to offer MRV, but they came out with that too.
    They don't charge extra to access the other tuner built in to the receiver.
    They do charge extra to access programs recorded on a different unit.
    It's not being billed as a 'feature' it's being billed as a 'service'.
    I bet they're going to charge to come and swap people out to SWM & DECA too, even though that's the only method they "support".

    Sucks, but that's what it is.
  14. Jan 24, 2010 #94 of 288

    armophob Difficulty Concen........

    Nov 13, 2006
    Fort Pierce, FL
    Maybe, maybe not. But doesn't Dish have one central dvr as well. It may not be exactly the same method. But the idea is generalized. To be able to view the recorded material in all rooms with receivers. Until now Directv did not have a comparable item to compete with. And now when they work out the tech on it, they dump the cost on the public and call it advanced viewing.
  15. Jan 24, 2010 #95 of 288

    dpeters11 Hall Of Fame

    May 30, 2007
    I think Dish's is limited. One DVR can go to one other receiver through coax, not to any one receiver at a time on a network (DECA or otherwise). And only SD.
  16. Jan 24, 2010 #96 of 288

    OptimusPrime Legend

    Apr 26, 2008
    As I've said in other threads - I don't think the fee is appropriate. I will not pay for it.
  17. Jan 25, 2010 #97 of 288

    Milkman Hall Of Fame

    Dec 6, 2006
    Wow... This sums up my feelings and actions for the last few months perfectly. I sooo agree with every word of that quote.

    The loyal customers thing really sticks with me... You want to show loyalty to your customers??? Keep your free PPV, or your free Showtime for 3 months, and give us these types of "services" (MRV) for free. THAT would show your appreciation of our loyalty!! Especially since the existing customers have been paying into the (assumed) R&D/developments costs by paying the DVR charge every, single month.

    I felt the same exact way for the HD Extra Pack. So many of us were paying the extra ridiculous HD charge for like what - 10 channels????? Well they finally launched a new satellite and we started getting a bunch of channels. I don't recall if they raised the HD charge, but they then introduced the HD Extra pack, which seemed like a slap in the face to the people that had been paying the HD charge for all that time, and actually FUNDED (to a degree) the launch of the new satellite!
  18. Jan 25, 2010 #98 of 288

    JeffBowser blah blah blah

    Dec 21, 2006
    I will agree with that sentiment.
  19. Jan 25, 2010 #99 of 288

    ndole Problem Solver

    Aug 26, 2009
    It's a disappointing decision from D*, but it IS a business decision. The last time I checked D* wasn't taking votes on this. I'm really getting tired of people taking this fair/unfair and ethical/unethical stance. It's a business folks! They make it/break it based on whether you pay them or not. There's no such thing as unfair, either they'll make more money on it or they won't, you decide!
  20. BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

    Nov 3, 2006
    Just as you have expressed your opinion, others are allowed to express theirs, either for or against Fee based MRV. If a person doesn't like fee based MRV then they don't have to get it. If you don't like reading other peoples opinion about it then don't read the threads.
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