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My Email to Turner (TBS)

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Greg Alsobrook, Sep 28, 2007.

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  1. Oct 8, 2007 #81 of 185
    MIMOTech

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    If you don't like it, vote with your feet and watch something else. There is plenty to watch these day. By the way the BB Playoff games have been wonderful on TBS HD.
    Do e-mail them and the sponsors about this. If you haven't noticed some program providers fill in the black bars with something decorative. This provides protection from burn in and liability protection for them.
     
  2. Oct 8, 2007 #82 of 185
    Directvlover

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    So black is worse for burn in? Hmm..good to know...i would have thought the other way around.
     
  3. Oct 8, 2007 #83 of 185
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    Actually, it's not so much burn in to worry about with the bars, it's uneven wear.
     
  4. Oct 8, 2007 #84 of 185
    Directvlover

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    Gotcha...so doing gray bars helps keep it a little more even then...that makes sense. Thanks.
     
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    Delray...
    I've tried setting my HR20 to grey but I still get black bars on my tv. Is there a way to fix that or is that coming from the provider?
     
  6. Oct 8, 2007 #86 of 185
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    The best way to get TBS, etc, to change is to not watch their stretch-o-vision. Turn the SD channel back on, and watch that, even if you can reformat the stretch back down to 4:3. D* collects up viewing statistics, so the info will get to the station.

    ESPN relented after they saw HD ratings go into the toilet on SD shows because sports in stretch-o-vision is unwatchable. This too will pass.

    Like stretch? Buy a TV that stretches and stretch it in the privacy of your own home.
     
  7. Oct 8, 2007 #87 of 185
    gully_foyle

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    In HD it's black, coming from the provider. The setting only controls the borders you add, usually when watching SD.
     
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    Thought so, just wanted to make sure. Thanks.
     
  9. Oct 8, 2007 #89 of 185
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    So, its OK for you to advocate that people should use their TV to stretch, but why shouldn't we just suggest you do the same. Use your TV to squish it back to 4:3. I've done this, and it works just fine.
     
  10. Oct 8, 2007 #90 of 185
    Greg Alsobrook

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    it's my understanding that the tv is actually having to "work harder" to produce the black bars... the gray ones are more natural... or something to that effect...
     
  11. Oct 8, 2007 #91 of 185
    Greg Alsobrook

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    problem is... not all tv's will 'squish'... but all will stretch...
     
  12. Oct 8, 2007 #92 of 185
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    It is not as much of a factor in the newer sets, as the older ones. It is worse in CRT(picture tube) sets.
     
  13. Oct 8, 2007 #93 of 185
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    1) Most TVs don't support this function, nor does the HR20 (although the HR10 did, and I used that). Nearly all TVs made in the last 5 years support stretch.

    2) Some forms of "stretch" include cropping to lessen distortion. Not only is information lost there, but it cannot be corrected by "Squeeze" -- the squeezed image is too "narrow" because the top and bottom have been slightly cropped.

    3) The industry standard (NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, FOX, CW, ESPN, CNN, HBO, etc) is to present 4:3 content in a pillarbox. Only a few newbie stations go against this standard. I shouldn't need two remotes to channel surf (and neither should you). I should be able to set my TV for the format I want and leave it there. As should you.
     
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    Actually it's that "black" is all the pixels off, and the LINE formed between that and the image is what "burns in". Gray presents less of a contrast at the transition.

    But in normal watching burn-in is not a problem. If it was, all those crawls on CNN and Fox would be issues too. LEAVING it on a stockticker channel for weeks on end would be a problem, however, as would leaving it on all the time with pillar bars of any color.
     
  15. Oct 8, 2007 #95 of 185
    Greg Alsobrook

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    makes sense... i have an older plasma and have seen a bit of "burn in" with network logos and stuff... maybe burn in isn't a good word... since it usually fades within a few minutes...
     
  16. Oct 8, 2007 #96 of 185
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    Stretch-o-vision annoys me, but what annoys me even more is that TBS and TNT label every single program as being in HD. Who do they think they are fooling?

    At least if they labeled their programs correctly, I would know if it's worth watching on the HD channel or not.
     
  17. Oct 8, 2007 #97 of 185
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    Based on the response to this thread, it sounds like they are fooling quite a few p e o p l e.
     
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    That's an ugly little thing called image retention, and those ESPN/2 logos are the main culprits.
     
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    Totally agree. In fact, when you unstretch it then you can use gray bars instead of black, which is why I love stretch vision. It seems like people actually should have a problem with D*'s equipment not being able to manipulate the picture more than the provider not sending it the way they want. E*'s VIP622 allows one to do anything they want with an HD picture. I've had to get used to using my tv's remote since switching over from E*.
     
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    How many times is this going to be repeated? My TV can squish but not stretch, and it's a Samsung DLP that's less than two years old.
     
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