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NBC 2012 Olympics Coverage

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by gusmahler, Jul 27, 2012.

  1. James Long

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    It is a fair question ... people in Canada pay to watch NBC (and the other American networks). They must be drawing some regular viewership.

    Then again, the commentary on the NBC coverage was not good - so CTV would have won a heads up battle.

    I'll blame my Canadian and British ties for that. :) I don't mean to take away from it being British ... but Canadians see it as theirs.

    As you pointed out, the Canadian ratings have changed since then. And if you're comparing US vs Canada there are cultural differences to take into account. A bit complicated.
     
  2. mrlqban

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    Again, the answer may be a full HD TV channel just like the "gold zone" channel online would still be a different product.
    The methodology that they currently run in this channel is much different than the programming we get in primetime. This has all the ingredients to be a huge success. You're just carbon copying content shown online to a TV. I do not see why you would be against this if it's already being done online??
     
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    Hoosier205

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    Quaker2001

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    Apparently American viewers love their works of fiction..

    Hate to have to tell you this, but there may come a point over the next week and a half where maybe you should entertain the idea that NBC, for all this negative press, isn't as stupid as everyone in the media and on Twitter seems to think they are. This happens EVERY Olympics. All that's changed is the number of people out there reminding the rest of us about it.
     
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    Hoosier205

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    So, in your opinion: It is okay if NBC misleads and takes advantage of their viewers while misrepresenting how the events occurred, so long as they can get away with it. Great.
     
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    Laxguy

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    Made for better television.
     
  7. Aug 1, 2012 #407 of 578
    anleva

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    Americans have no choice if they want to watch the Olympics on their tele (which many do). We just have to grin and bear it.
     
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    Hoosier205

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    A good point. Quaker clings to the ratings, but ignores that Americans have no other choice if they want to watch events on television. The online streaming has issues, never mind that there are portions of the public who cannot use it.
     
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    anleva

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    NBC turns the Games into a red, white and blue spectacle that feels like a Fox News parody. The BBC covers sports

    (yeah, but look at those ratings! american's need a curator to provide 'context' and drama and help them interpret, that's what people want)

    http://www.salon.com/2012/08/01/ryan_seacrest_youve_been_replaced//

     
  10. Aug 1, 2012 #410 of 578
    Quaker2001

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    Sounds an awful lot like politics, doesn't it.

    This is nothing new, they've been doing that for years now. Yet now everyone has a computer to call them out on it. The Kerri Strug vault in the `96 Olympics.. everyone thinks that won the gold but the truth is that if she hadn't come out for the 2nd vault, the Americans still would have won.

    It's not really a good point. You do not know what 40 million Americans are thinking. You say I'm clinging to the ratings.. you both (and others) are clinging to the rantings of Twitter followers and assume they speak for everyone. Not everyone out there views it as doing something so objectionable because they are forcing themselves to watch the Olympics. Especially when you have 40 million viewers for something. If everyone was as pissed off as you seemed to think they are, there's no way they would have gotten that number. A lot of people were eating that coverage up last night thinking it was great television. This forum and even mighty Twitter do NOT speak for their preferences.
     
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    Hoosier205

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    While you rantings are built upon baseless assumptions. Those in glass houses...
     
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    anleva

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    None of us know what 40 million Americans are thinking. That would be impossible.

    However, in customer research and polling you don't need to talk to everyone to be able to start to be able to form conclusions. Since twitter is so prevalent as a communications vehicle it does have value in spotting trends and prevailing opinions. The sheer number and volume of negative opinions on NBC's coverage versus positive ones should tell you something, though you can continue to dismiss it as the lunatic fringe.

    Again in the absence of competitive alternatives for a high demand product you can't just say since they tune in they are happy. I probably can't say the opposite either, but there are those silly lunatic twitter people, social media, blogs, articles and living room conversation that unfortunately is getting in the way of the high number of viewers = happy, satisfied people narrative.
     
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    Quaker2001

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    Like you should talk. For the past week, you've been going on how we can't "prove" that NBC's coverage is working. Yet, amongst all the articles ripping NBC, pretty sure I've come across at least 2 or 3 from some fairly reputable writers that say it is working. Those monster TV ratings are what they are. You can read all the subtext you want into them and look at Canada and say the same thing is happening up there. But where a month ago, NBC was expecting lower ratings and to lose money on these Olympics, all of a sudden now they're a lot closer to breaking even. So again, maybe you should consider the possibility that, while there are probably certain things NBC could do better from a financial standpoint, that most of what they're doing IS accomplishing its means (which is to say making NBC money) and the suits at 30 Rock maybe aren't as ignorant as you seem to think they are.
     
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    Quaker2001

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    That's the thing though. You assume NBC is ignoring all the Twitter chatter and brushing it aside. Jim Bell, producer of the primetime show, has been on Twitter responding to people. So it's not like he and others at NBC are completely numb to the situation.

    Remember.. NBC paid money to become the exclusive rights holder for the Olympics. Yes, that does give them license to control the quality of their coverage in the absence of an alternative, but that's not something unique here. It's just coming to light because so many people have Twitter and post on these discussion forums. If you don't like a product, you're probably going to complain about it. Whereas if you like a product, you're not going to go online and tell everyone about it. That's why I question Twitter representing the whole. Again, there are people out there who like NBC's style of coverage and that's what they're playing to. If they leave others out in the cold, that's unfortunate, but that's their strategy. Either way, advertisers pay for people to watch their ads on NBC's coverage. They aren't paying NBC to deliver them happy customers. Now if they got the impression that unhappy customers don't buy their products, then yes, it would be different.

    NBC is not unaware of what's going on out there. But they're also not seeing compelling enough reasons to think this style of coverage is no longer generating enough money for them.
     
  15. Aug 1, 2012 #415 of 578
    maartena

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    The only reason NBC's coverage is working and is drawing viewers is because Americans have no other choice.

    If laws and regulations would allow carriers like DirecTV, Dish and cable companies to carry e.g. live feeds of Canada's CTV and directly from the BBC, I am willing to bet the ratings would not be HALF as good.

    That is also the fun thing about living in Europe by the way.... granted, you may have to know a few languages, but living in The Netherlands, I was able to see the Olympic Coverage of not only the Dutch NOS, I could tune in the Belgian television (Dutch speaking), I could turn in to the BBC (English of course) but I could also watch the German coverage (I can at least understand a fair bit of German), and depending on who covered what and who had the rights, I could see stuff on French, Italian, and other networks as well.

    On Dutch cable, you can't get *every* station from surrounding countries of course.... but you can get the "main broadcast" networks, and those happen to be often the ones that have the Olympic coverage.

    So in essence: There is competition.

    Canadian coverage is available to those close enough to Canada to pick it up OTA, but it can't be distributed, with exception of a few bordering cable companies. So NBC holds a monopoly, and as long as that remains (which I expect it to be for MANY logical and financial reasons), whatever they put on the screen would be "working".

    That does not mean however, that the coverage is therefore.... good.
     
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    anleva

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    NBC's has been dismissing twitter as noise. You've been dismissing twitter as fringe. In this post you dismiss the negative opinions expressed on twitter as just louder than the positive opinions and that people who have a positive opinion would not dare express it on twitter. I disagree, people on twitter communicate where they had lunch and express their love for people and products all the time. There just isn't that much love for NBC.

    Yes, we all get understand, and have understood from the beginning, the financial motivations and that they serve the advertiser. That does explain their behavior but doesn't excuse it either.
     
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    Laxguy

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    Prevalent? At less than 10%? (Pew report, end of May)

    And people who tweet are self-selected. They tend to be folks who think their opinions are very important. Now, that doesn't apply to everyone who tweets. But it has more than its share of twits.

    And I am also not saying that a mass of similar tweets don't have value in pointing out possible trends, feelings, complaints. Just that it's not necessarily representative of all interested in the Olympics, or of freedom, or memorial services, or.....
     
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    DoyleS

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    There will always be complaints. I am really enjoying having the dedicated soccer and basketball channels. I can record them on the DVR and then speed through to watch the matches I want. With two 722s, I can record up to 5 channels simultaneously so each night, I speed through the parts I am not interested in and watch the events I want. I pretty much stopped using Social and News media to avoid spoilers so the tape delay is not that big of a problem for me. The DVR really helps level the playing field and eliminate the talking heads and non competition items.
     
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    fluffybear

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    Mrs. Fluffybear indicated she would like to have seen a dedicated Gymnastic channel as NBC shows so little of it (compared to some other sports like cycling, basketball & soccer)
     

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