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Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by RunnerFL, Jan 22, 2011.
According to The Futon Critic just today, NBC passed on Wonder Woman.
And after all that hype, too. Guess they didn't want another Bionic Woman.
And I thought it had legs
Not a surprise.
In fact when I saw this thread come back up, I was wondering if it was canceled before it even started.
Very first thing that came to my mind when he posted the shorts are in.
...and now some potential viewers are taking it in the shorts again....
This spring, no pilot was more buzzy, controversial, or intensely scrutinized than "Wonder Woman." But evidently, buzz is not enough to overcome the stink of a misbegotten failure: This week, NBC declined to pick up the show.
The news comes as the networks prepare for their upfront presentations (where they unveil their fall schedules for advertisers). "Wonder Woman" would have seemed to be a sure thing: It was produced by David E. Kelley, whose TV successes with the network date back to "L.A. Law," and starred geek-bait stars like Cary "The Princess Bride" Elwes and Elizabeth "Austin Powers" Hurley. But reports of its abysmal script (which was later rewritten, to slightly more positive effect) seem to have been borne out in a pilot episode NBC could not approve.
Wonder Woman and I Dream of Jeannie, two shows every teenage boy loved.
NBC is run by idiots.
Idiots for bailing on a show that was destined to fail?
Sounds to me like one of the first smart decisions in a while!
Sorry...but I don't buy that view.
Cheers, Star Trek, MASH, All in the Family, and a number of other legends were "destined to fail" by critics their first season.
Pulling the plug before airing seems to be the new mantra - the networks know what we will like - in advance.
If they were so "wise", why commission a pilot show beyond a single audience viewing at all? Answer: most of the time - they have no clue. Audience tastes change over time, so trying to predict those before a program is released is laced with risk of losing a potential audience.
But you're talking about a completely different era of television. Many of those shows would die a quick death today if they ever aired at all. Smart TV that makes you think doesn't stand a chance against the brain-deadness of such drivel as AI and DWTS.
You're talking about an era when TV actually cared about the programming and strived for quality.
That was pretty much my point - times have clearly changed, but not necessarily for the better.
Apples and oranges... You're comparing shows that were given full seasons to gain audience vs a show that didn't have a good enough pilot to begin with.
Star Trek, though, is a particularly weird example... The original pilot was rejected by the network... and Roddenberry had to go back to the drawing board and try again with a completely different (and as it happens better) pilot to get his series opted.
Maybe Wonder Woman could come back in another form with a re-done pilot episode that was actually good?
That's their job... and as I said something smart for a change!
Networks keep giving the green light to programming that doesn't cut it... then in the middle of airing the show, they will cut episodes that screws with the story... then cancel and leave some episodes unaired which screws with the story AND viewers.
I'd much rather them not opt a show in the first place.
The networks have decades of viewership history to help them determine what kinds of shows people will watch and what kinds they will not... It's presumably a factor in every decision for every new show or existing show renewal.
You can't lose an audience that you never had... The point of a pilot is for the suits at the network (and a handful of test viewers) to decide if it is worth the risk for a season of shows.
IF the pilot is bad... why go forward? Typically the pilot represents the best work the creator can do for one single episode in order to get money. IF you get a half-crap pilot, then you can only imagine the downhill spiral once it gets going.
How many pilot episodes have you watched and thought to yourself "how on earth did that show get a deal for a season?"
Clearly you missed the whole point then.
If you don't give shows a season to sink or swim...the process is broken.
Many of the named shows were called dead after the pilot or first few shows - failures for sure. Now they are legendary series.
If it was bad enough to fail to even show...the network blew it in recognizing that at a much earlier time.
No... you're missing the point.
The shows you are talking about were already picked up by the network after having seen the pilot... They already ordered more episodes of the show... and stuck with them.
Wonder Woman had a pilot that was so disliked by the test viewers and the network that they never picked it up.
You're comparing critical response to the network airing of the pilot vs the private screening of a pilot that is trying to get bought!
Wonder Woman was not bought... the pilot didn't do a good enough job to get bought.
It would be like comparing a guy who went for a job interview and didn't get hired to a guy who was hired and didn't do a good job his first week but was kept on long enough to learn the ropes and become a skilled employee.
The guy who didn't get the job, failed the interview... The guy who got the job was impressive enough to the company in his interview that they gave him time to adjust and improve.
Cheers had a good enough pilot that the network believed in it and bought the show and waited while the public began to like the show.
Wonder Woman didn't have a good enough pilot to convince the network to order any episodes.
The whole point of a pilot is for a network to see what you think your show could be... You convince them to give you a budget for a pilot, you make the pilot, and then that is supposed to sell the idea to the network to give you an order for a regular season of episodes. By the time a pilot airs on TV, the network has already made a decision to order more episodes. The pilot is your job interview.
So... apples and oranges.
Does anyone think the idea of a Wonder Woman show would succeed? Forget pilots and sex appeal. A show of hands on how many of us thought this was not a comical (pun intended) suggestion in 2011. What brilliant writing and directing could ever save it?
Sure it can.
The Thor movie is proving it to some extent... Wonder Woman has a strong core of Greek mythology to draw from. A TV series that incorporates those myths and treats the character seriously (even if the show itself contains some humor) could work well.
Nothing I read about this pilot, however, sounded like a proper treatment for the character.
My thoughts exactly.
For me the biggest flaw was that two of her three (four?) personas were going to be strong alpha types. That just wasn't working for me. Of course WW was going to be an alpha, thats a given, but the Diana one should not and can not be.
Maybe someone else will give it a go and do it right.
I think it can be done, and can be done well, but not on one of the Big 4. Maybe FX or TNT should pick up the ball and run with this one. Or maybe NBC should send it off to USA.
There's a sales pitch/concept to the networks even before a pilot is done - that's the job interview. In this case...the concept of the show was a known since it is fundamentally a remake. If it took the networks to make a pilot to figure out they didn't want it - it just proves how inept they are.