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Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by fluffybear, Mar 3, 2013.
Hopefully this means SNL will be watchable again with Seth gone.
Leno rises as others fall.
I used to watch Letterman religiously, loving his sardonic wit, his "grumpy old man" sarcasm. However, all that changed. I don't remember when--perhaps it was during the 2008 presidential campaign of Obama. The date's not that important. What matters is that this once very funny guy has turned into nothing less than a left-wing partisan hack, totally one-sided. Bush has been out of office for 4 1/2 years now, and Letterman still makes him the butt of his jokes, blaming him for the country's ills.
Example: I was flipping channels last night and caught Dave's monologue. In it, he was making fun of Bush, showing Bush in Africa with the natives (W. has been there with wife Laura the last several days doing charity work), mocking Bush's attempt to do native dances. Letterman labeled the bit "This day in a presidential moment". Uh, Dave, Bush isn't president anymore, so how could it be a "presidential moment"? Besides, who gives a rat's patootie?
Really, Dave, these jokes, all of them slamming Republicans, have gotten sooooo old. If you're going to be political, something I do not mind at all, at least be bipartisan and go after both sides, something your competitors do on a more frequent basis.
Honestly, Letterman used to be the funniest night talk show host. (He was actually Johnny's personal choice to replace him, but NBC decided otherwise back then.) I watched his show regularly over all the others. I haven't done that now in 4 or 5 years, except for one, single show of his--his last show before Christmas, when he has Darlene Love on to sing her famous rendition of "Christmas". That annual show is one to which I look forward every year.
Well, when I see a former President doing an interview, they are still called "Mr. President." Heck, Newt Gingrich is still called "Mr. Speaker".
This is something I've never been able to understand. If you're no longer president or speaker, why be referred to as one? I'm sure it's just me, but I've always found it to be stupid.
The position (if not the person) is respected enough that once the position is obtained the person is honored with the title beyond their time of service. You see this with military ranks for example "general" or even "sergeant" is a respected title. You see this in politics where governors keep the title. With the presidency being both a military and high political role it makes perfect sense to have the title outlive the time of service.
It happens in the private sector too ... people are called "coach" long after their coaching days are over - although keeping the title of president, speaker, general or governor is a professional courtesy more than a nickname or casual honor.
With a general or sergeant or similar military person, though, they're still considered of that rank after they retire, assuming they hadn't been stripped of it. Newt Gingrich should still be referred to as "former Speaker of the House".
But back to Leno et. al.
You are forgetting that the president is the leader of the country's military? Why wouldn't THAT rank be kept?
Speaker of the house is third in line to the presidency ... it is an important role in our country.
Most of the time the "former" part is dealt with in introductions and then the conversation continues using the title without emphasizing the "former" part. It is what our society does. At least the polite part of society. (And it doesn't matter if the president is 39, 41, 42 or 43 ... or the other honored person is someone you like or not ... the honor is for life.)
And next is President Pro Tempore of the Senate, but do we refer to him when he is no longer a senator as President Pro Tempore? No
Then call him President Emeritus.
He's just not as important. Gotta make the podium. (We could call him senator, even after he ceases being one.)
He has a title. We call him president.
But he's not president anymore. That's my point.
The point is, nobody else cares. The title survives the job - whether you like the practice or not.
You also aren't Lord Vader... I'm not Ralph Wiggum, and I'm pretty sure James isn't Dug from Up!
We're not the only country to do this either.
I've heard so many retire veterans introduced by their rank, just like interviewers talking to retired politicians and saying "Mr. Mayor/Goveror/Senator/President/etc" that it doesn't raise an eyebrow.
I'm sure it doesn't raise an eyebrow. For politicians, however, it's just stupid. They're elected to a term of office. Military persons are not. They retain their ranks until and unless stripped of them or demoted by a superior.
This is supposedly the "official" document on how to address a former President. It is incorrect to call him President.
Why is this the "official" guide? Doesn't the State Deapartment or the White House Protocol office have any guidance?
From the referenced article:
It's "The Official Guide to Names, Titles, and Forms of Address" by "The Protocol School of Washington".
Here's Emily Post saying the same thing: