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Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by phrelin, Jul 28, 2012.
If they had shown it LIVE, however, they could have shown it all.
If they could have just not shown one or two of their 5000 commercials then they would have been able to show more coverage! :nono2:
They got that power the day they wrote a $4.8 billion check.
If it were promoted as a 9/11 tribute. The BBC announcers mentioned 7/7 over the beginning of the piece but the stadium announcers and guide did not refer to 7/7. (The exact description provided to NBC was posted earlier in this thread.)
So ... the audience was asked to provide pictures of loved ones that did not make it to the opening. The director added his own father's picture (the father's 91's birthday would have been the day of the program). And apparently the 52 victims of 7/7 were included - without mention in the program or by the stadium announcers. Then after a rousing crescendo in the show everything stopped - the wall of pictures were shown and then a virtually silent group of people in leotards moved around the stage for a while. Then someone started singing and apparently a young boy was welcomed into death. Sounds like something for PBS or Classic Arts Showcase ... if it had aired in the US it probably would have been the most ridiculed portion of the opening (with the foreign audience annoyed at Americans for "not getting it").
I like the arts ... but by the time we got to that part of the presentation I was wondering when they'd light the caldron so I could get on with my life.
If it had been explicitly a tribute to 7/7 and noted that way in the guide NBC might have carried it ... but it was not presented that way. If the program had not run long NBC might have aired it and the other cut content - but they had limited time to fill and would not have known how long the program was going until they had already committed to the 7:30-12:00 time frame.
They didn't commit to anyone though to show the Phelps interview. They could have shown that on day 1 of the competitions. And ironically, that interview lasted about as long as the 7/7 memorial piece.
Maybe you are right..... that Americans are so over-entertained by all the mass-media around us, that we no longer CAN enjoy such a thing, and it would be ridiculed by the press. But NBC shouldn't have to decide that FOR US.
The United States is the only country in the world where a big media corporation really decides what you can and cannot see in the Opening Ceremony of the Olympics.
They were even shown LIVE on Chinese State Television (And in Australia, Japan) even though it was early in the morning.
The NBC reply was also laughable:
NBC spokesman Greg Hughes said, "Our programming is tailored for the U.S. audience. It's a tribute to (opening ceremony producer) Danny Boyle that it required so little editing."
In other words: "Oh Mr Boyle we thought that it was good enough that we didn't have to censor it even further to appease the American audience, you should be happy!"
That is really not going to bode well for the Rio opening, which is very likely going to feature some very scantily dressed carnival girls. We can't have THAT on national television!
You believe that the only information NBC had about what would be included in the ceremony was a guide? Really?
The bigger scandal hitting the mainstream press is NBC trying to silence critics from other media outlets:
The Wired story is an eye opener:
No rules were broken because McCloskey's NBC email address is widely available on the web.
So it makes one wonder how Twitter administers it's policies. Do they have some minimum wage interns monitoring things with authority to take some action? It's a tough challenge when you get big and try to get rich using less than a thousand employees.
Did you catch the point about the direct conflict of interest issue since NBC and the Twits are in a financial partnership?
No it didn't, the memorial piece was longer. Someone provided the stats earlier in the thread.
Perhaps.... but 2 less commercials, and maybe quick-passing by a nation or 2, they could have shown everything.
But I guess most Americans are satisfied with not getting what the rest of the world gets.
Well..... granted, the organizers of the games and the opening ceremony will want to give out as little information as possible. The 20k+ volunteers were all sworn to secrecy even to their own families.
So while it might have been possible they did not know about the 7/7 tribute ahead of time, NBC had been given the time it would last from beginning to end. They must have known AHEAD of time that wasn't going to fit in the schedule because they had so many commercials to air, and needed to pass the torch ( ) to their locals at midnight. So they probably already decided to cut the opening in to pieces, and are covering it up under the guise that it needed to be "tailored to the American audience", where it really was "tailored to the time we had allotted to it in order to maximize our profits".
I can't help thinking that after the Israelis (and quite a few Jewish Americans!) were outraged they weren't allowed to commemorate the 30 year anniversary of the 1972 Israeli athletes massacre only to find out the Brits were doing their own memorial, that NBC deliberately chose to cut THAT piece out as "revenge" for not allowing the former. That of course, is nothing but an unsubstantiated thought. (Of course.... the previous CEO of NBC was, indeed, Jewish-American).
The Phelps piece was at least half of the length of the tribute. I would not say that they had no commitment to air it - unless one happens to be in a position to KNOW the commitments than NBC has made one could only guess whether or not it had to be aired.
They had to decide for themselves what to cut from the ceremony to make it fit the time allotted. Had the ceremony not gone over in time there would have been room for everything.
Perhaps NBC should have cut Sir Paul? It wouldn't be the first time one of his London performances was cut. (The last time was done live at a concert with Bruce Springsteen!)
It depends on what the "community standards" are in 2016 ... but I expect we will be seeing more wide shots than closeups of jiggly parts.
Yes. That is what I believe. The media guide is there for a reason. If it was intended as a tribute to 7/7 they should have made it more explicit - and not have included pictures of people who were not directly connected to 7/7.
At the end of the show on NBC they interviewed Danny Boyle about what he thought about the best moments of his show. Meridith mentioned the bit with Bond and the Queen and they talked about that. Then Mr Boyle said: "What I'm really proud of is when Steve Redgrave run in we brought back 500 of the builders who built this thing seven years, five years ago, who were here in the wind and the rain and building it and we brought them back. That was one of my favorite moments when he run in and they were all applauding. From those guys to the queen everybody made themselves accessible. That is something that we can all take great pride in."
If he would have mentioned "the tribute to those who couldn't be here" (the way it was billed) the editing might have been different.
And as far as editing - there were other segments dropped for time. NBC viewers didn't see the symbolic (yet important) athlete's pledge to play fair and not be involved in doping and the official's pledge to judge fairly. I consider that an actual important part of the sport of the games - and recall seeing it at previous ceremonies. But it was lost.
They had the rundown, which was linked in an earlier post of mine. It states the running time of each segment and gives a description of what was to be seen. The hosts also mention that they were present during a final dress rehearsal run through of the show - which would have allowed the producers to see what the guide meant, IF it was actually announced as a 7/7 tribute.
I don't believe it was a tit for tat. I believe they looked at the entire program and had to make some tough choices.
As much as I'm defending much of NBC's decision-making, let me express again that I think their coverage of the Opening Ceremony was not good, and that had nothing to do with tape delay.
First off, folks from NBC were at the dress rehearsal, so it's not like they didn't know what to expect. NBC clearly knew there was going to be some sort of memorial in the show. Whether or not they keyed into the fact that it was specific to 7/7, who knows, but for once it would be nice for NBC to not edit out parts of the ceremony, and I don't just mean the 87 commercials shown during the parade of nations.
Then on the night of, the networks are made aware of certain details. They had to know at least some of what was going on with the cauldron lighting. The organizers don't actually wait until the last possible second because they don't want to risk commentators ms-identifying people and other elements of the show.
And as a side note, Rio 2016.. 1 hour ahead of the East coast. 9pm (London's ceremony start time) = 8pm in New York. So I'd say it's a pretty good bet at least half the country will get to see that live.
Yeah. But I usually expect management level decisions to consider the potential foolishness of some things, like the foolishness of cutting a journalist off from Twitter. While I'm sure the NBC suit didn't have the full picture at the time, the Twit's "decider" should have.
I certainly wouldn't rule that out as motivation. They even had their announcer whining about it, and that comment obviously was either approved or supported at a higher level since it came literally out of nowhere. It was most awkwardly injected into the dialog. The fact that 7/7 was in LONDON and was much more recent and was directly related to these particular games and these people in the stands was conveniently ignored by the Israelis and their rabid supporters. Dudes, it's not always about YOU.
I don't get the logic on that one. You think NBC cut out that piece of the ceremony as a screw you to the organizers? Based on their host coming out that he's mention something about the 40 (not 30) year anniversary of Munich that the IOC largely took care of in advance of the ceremony? And where the 2 weren't even related?
NBC shouldn't have cut down the ceremony, no question. But do we really need to be floating conspiracy theories because you think NBC is the axis of evil and you think there's a reason behind this one other than "we decided to cut some stuff out and didn't think anyone would care?" Pretty sure it's that simple. I don't think we need to read into it more than that.
You're not paying any attention at all. Try to absorb the words and their precise meaning, language is important, especially when folks conveniently rephrase everything to suit their rants:
"I certainly wouldn't rule that out as motivation."
Now, try to grasp what that means. Good.
I grasped it. I know you're not suggesting that's what actually went down, but I don't even get where anyone would put the 2 together in the first place. NBC did something to piss off the organizers of the Opening Ceremony for something they had no control over? I'm sorry, but that's a total fail of logic there. And not that you're the one who initially brought it up (and that's really who that rant was directed against), but my goodness.. NBC is that bad that now they're intentionally ruining coverage out of spite? You're entitled to your opinion, but to even bring that up as a possibility, to me is a complete fail of logic.