Negotiations/Dispute Megathread: 2020 DISH Edition

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  1. Jan 4, 2020 #1 of 26
    techguy88

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    Since Dish Network has multiple disputes currently might be a good idea to have a thread listing the disputes with links to relevant discussions. This will also include Dish Network's sister service Sling TV when applicable.

    This should come in handy and make searching for discussions a whole lot easier in relation to disputes.

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    2020 Active Disputes/Blackouts
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    • Apollo Global Management - Former Northwest stations (Locals)
    • Apollo Global Management - Former Cox stations (Locals)
      • Warnings of potential blackout: 1/10/2020
      • Stations affected: See list
      • Services affected: Dish Network
      • Reason: Price, Apollo wants to void the March 2019 agreement for the Cox stations and place them into a singular contract with both Northwest and Cox stations.
      • Current Status: On-air; The court granted Dish a temporary restraining order to prevent Apollo from blacking out stations due to Dish reaching an agreement with independent Cox Media Group back in March 2019.
      • Existing Discussion: Start with post #3 of this thread

    • Nextar Media Group (LMA/SSA Sidecars) (Locals)
      • Station owners: Mission Broadcasting, Marshall Broadcasting Group, White Knight Broadcasting
      • Blackout Start Date: 1/3/2020
      • Stations affected: See here
      • Services affected: Dish Network
      • Reason: Price, negotiation breakdown
      • Current Status: On-air; Blackout temporarily ended due to COVID-19 pandemic
      • Existing Discussion: Here
    • NFL Network / NFL RedZone
      • Blackout Start Date: June 18, 2020
      • Services affected: Dish Network, Sling TV
      • Reason: Price
      • Current Status: Blackout ongoing
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    Active Carryover Disputes/Blackouts
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    • Sunbeam Television (Locals)
      • Blackout Start Date: September 12, 2019
      • Stations affected: WHDH-TV 7 & WLVI-TV 56 (Boston), WSVN-TV 7 (Miami - Fort Lauderdale)
      • Services affected: Dish Network
      • Reason: Price, negotiation breakdown
      • Current Status: Blackout ongoing
    • NBC Sports Chicago (RSN)
      • Blackout Start Date: October 1, 2019
      • Services affected: Dish Network, Sling TV
      • Reason: Price, "unreasonable demands"
      • Current Status: Blackout ongoing
      • Existing Discussion: Here
    • Altitude Sports (RSN)
      • Blackout Start Date: August 29, 2019
      • Services affected: Dish Network
      • Other affected providers: Comcast Xfinity (August 31, 2019 - Ongoing)
      • Reason: Price, Dish wants to move Altitude to a sports tier or a la carte service and Altitude rejects this
      • Current Status: Blackout ongoing
      • Existing Discussion: Here
    • Fox Sports Networks (RSN Group)
      • Blackout Start Date: July 29, 2019
      • Services affected: Dish Network, Sling TV
      • Reason: Price, Dish stating Sinclair has "unreasonable demands"
      • Current Status: Blackout ongoing
      • Existing Discussion: Here
    • HBO/Cinemax (Premiums)
      • Blackout Start Date: November 1, 2018
      • Services affected: Dish Network, Sling TV
      • Reason: Pricing, Dish states AT&T wanted a "minimal subscriber quota"
      • Current Status: Channels space dropped, blackout ongoing
      • Existing Discussion: #1, #2
      • Alternate ways to watch: See discussion
     
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  2. Jan 4, 2020 #2 of 26
    techguy88

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    2020 Resolved Disputes/Restorations
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    • Nothing to see here yet!
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    2020 Programming Expirations (drops not affected by disputes)
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    • Fusion (Channel 244) was removed on January 8, 2020 and replaced with the following message: "DISH continuously evaluates its programming in order to provide the best content to its customers. This channel is no longer available on DISH."
    • Starting in 2020 TheBlaze was removed as the channel stopped traditional linear pay-TV carriage to focus on its digital efforts like its SVOD service.
     
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  3. zippyfrog

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    According to dishpromise.com, Apollo Global Management pulled their channels at 5pm mountain time, 1/18/2020. I have not seen an uplink report yet that verifies that though.
     
  4. mwdxer

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    Unfortunately, here we go again. None of those owners have a station where I live, but it could be anyone at any time. Sometimes, I think we should go back to E/W Networks...
     
  5. techguy88

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    After looking at several station websites the current situation seems to be that the former Northwest stations that Apollo owns are blacked out as of today. The stations Apollo acquired from Cox Media Group are currently on air. DISHPromise said it was granted a temporary restraining order against Apollo for blacking out the former Cox stations. The former independent Cox Media Group previously reached a multi-year agreement with Dish in March 2019. My guess is Apollo is trying to bundle the two groups into 1 singular contract.
    • Apollo-owned former Northwest stations (Blacked out since 6:00 PM January 18, 2020) (Archive link)
      • KLAX-TV, Channel 31, (ABC, Alexandria, La.)
      • WICZ-TV, Channel 40 (FOX, Binghamton, N.Y.)
      • WBPN, Channel 8 (MNT, Binghamton, N.Y.)
      • KIEM-TV, Channel 3 (NBC, Eureka, Calif.)
      • KVIQ-TV, Channel 17 (CBS, Eureka, Calif.)
      • WABG-TV, Channel 6 (ABC, Greenwood-Greenville, Miss.)
      • WABGD-TV, Channel 10 (FOX, Greenwood-Greenville, Miss.)
      • WNBD-TV, Channel 33 (NBC, Greenwood-Greenville, Miss.)
      • WXVT-TV, Channel 15 (CBS, Greenwood-Greenville, Miss.)
      • KPVI-TV, Channel 6 (NBC, Idaho Falls-Pocatello, Idaho)
      • KMVU-TV, Channel 26 (FOX, Medford-Klamath Falls, Ore.)
      • KFBI-TV, Channel 48 (MNT, Medford-Klamath Falls, Ore.)
      • KAYU-TV, Channel 28 (FOX, Spokane, Wash.)
      • WSYT-TV, Channel 68 (FOX, Syracuse, N.Y.)
      • WNYS-TV, Channel 43 (MNT, Syracuse, N.Y.)
      • KCYU-TV, Channel 41 (FOX, Yakima-Pasco-Richland-Kennewick, Wash.)
      • KSWT-TV, Channel 13 (CBS, Yuma AZ - El Centro, Calif.)
      • KYMA-TV, Channel 11 (NBC, Yuma AZ - El Centro, Calif.)
    • Apollo-owned former Cox Media Group stations (Warning of a potential blackout, still on DISH) (Archive link)
      • WSB-TV, Channel 2 (ABC, Atlanta, Ga.)
      • WFXT-TV, Channel 25 (FOX, Boston, Mass.)
      • WAXN-TV, Channel 64 (IND, Charlotte, N.C.)
      • WSOC-TV, Channel 9 (ABC, Charlotte, N.C.)
      • WHIO-TV, Channel 7 (CBS, Dayton, Ohio)
      • WFOX-TV, Channel 30 (FOX, Jacksonville, Fla.)
      • WFOX2-TV, Channel 32 (MNT, Jacksonville, Fla.)
      • WHBQ-TV, Channel 62 (FOX, Memphis, Tenn.)
      • WFTV-TV, Channel 9 (ABC, Orlando, Fla.)
      • WRDQ-TV, Channel 27 (IND, Orlando, Fla.)
      • WPXI-TV, Channel 11 (NBC, Pittsburgh, Pa.)
      • KIRO-TV, Channel 7 (CBS, Seattle, Wash.)
      • KMYT-TV, Channel 41 (MNT, Tulsa, Okla.)
      • KOKI-TV, Channel 23 (FOX, Tulsa, Okla.)
    Edit: Uplink report posted at 11:22PM showing the former Northwest stations being removed.

    EDIT: First post updated with Apollo dispute.
     
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  6. techguy88

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    Ah had I read both notices about Apollo I wouldn't have had to guess Dish pretty much confirmed that is what Apollo is trying to do:

     
  7. mwdxer

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    That is the same song & dance for all OTA these days that Dish carries. I liked the old days when the OTA stations were not paid.
     
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    I wish we could go back to those days as well. However I don't blame Dish for this one Apollo caused this.
     
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  9. zippyfrog

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    Apollo cuts DISH customer access to local stations in 10 markets; Court bars Apollo from additional threatened blackouts - Jan 18, 2020

    On the official Dish Network press release, they have a PDF copy of the restraining order. Very interesting read. And the fact that Apollo was trying to negate the deal signed last year for the remaining stations.
     
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  10. scooper

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    Apollo should have known that wouldn't work - when they bought the COX STATIONS, THEY ALSO BOUGHT (AND ARE BOUND BY) the carriage contracts that came with them.
     
  11. techguy88

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    That was a very interesting read indeed. Also one of the rare examples of a retransmission dispute where we get more info than intended. I hope Dish doesn't go 8 months without the Northwest stations like D* did.

    Apollo must have missed that bit of the carriage contract. Even their FAQ on the Cox stations have a BS response:

    I'm normally very critical of Sinclair however Apollo has managed to do something that no other station owner has done... make Sinclair look good. Sinclair was at least smart enough to recognize AT&T previously signed a long term agreement for the Fox Sports RSNs with old Fox. Sinclair didn't threaten to remove the Fox RSNs from AT&T while they negotiated a new retransmission agreement for their O&O locals and Tennis Channel (that they did threaten to remove) which would eventually included the Fox RSNs + Marquee into that agreement.

    If this goes on for too much longer I could see Dish become the next MVPD to file a good faith complaint with the FCC and actually succeed like AT&T did to the group of Sinclair sidecars for D* and U-Verse TV.
     
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    Any word on ch 56 boston???
     
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    Ummm i didn't know about this before but after research no new updates Dish is still in a dispute with Sunbeam the owner of your CW station
     
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    FYI: Added Sunbeam Television dispute on first post under "Active Carryover Disputes/Blackouts" section since this started on 9/12/19
     
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    Negotiations Alert: Cox-Dish Temporary call truce during COVID-19 - Stations restored in the following markets

    Source
    • Binghamton, NY
    • Syracuse, NY
    • Medford, OR
    • Spokane, WA
    • Yakima-Tri Cities, WA
    • Yuma, AZ
    • Alexandria, LA
    • Eureka, CA
    • Greenville-Greenwood, MS
    • Idaho Falls-Pocatello, ID
     
  16. techguy88

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    Updated top post with NFL Network/NFL RedZone Dispute (Source)

    No new announcements have been made in regards to the disputed RSNs (NBC Sports Chicago, Fox Sports RSN Group and Altitude) but their entries on DISH Promise has been removed.

    Could this thread be stickied / pinned so the disputes are easier to keep track of?
     
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  17. patmurphey

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    Why a "megathread"? disputes need to fade into oblivion when settled.
     
  18. Willh

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    to catch up with who's feuding with dish over fees for channel retransmission carriage.

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  19. techguy88

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    Disputes do fade into oblivion when settled however these are not settled disputes these are active disputes. Local stations that are on Dish Network either by restraining order or a global pandemic are not "settled" disputes. Only when there is a press release with the words "multi-year agreement" is it settled.

    There is a similar thread for AT&T/DirecTV however they haven't had a major dispute or a locals dispute (that I'm aware of) since January 2020. D*'s only unresolved dispute is with beIN Sports that has been ongoing since 2018. That is unusual since Dish was the one able to reach a deal with beIN at the time without issue.
     
  20. patmurphey

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    This thread will become a cumbersome monster, with posts hard to find or irrelevant. So be it.
     

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