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New Directv Prices

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by A_Bear, Dec 23, 2011.

  1. Feb 2, 2012 #741 of 809
    BattleScott

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    Thats the whole point. That's exactly what they are trying to do. As I said before, the price increase doesn't bother me near as much as the disingenuous attempt to lay the blame on the providers and trying to paint themselves as heroes for not raising ours as much as theirs are going up.
     
  2. Feb 3, 2012 #742 of 809
    Laxguy

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    I don't get that they're posing heroic at all. It's just facts, and I don't get why you object so to the word "only".
     
  3. Feb 3, 2012 #743 of 809
    BattleScott

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    "Our costs are going up 10%, but we're "only" raising yours 4%..."

    I object to it because it is being used in an attempt to make the subscribers believe that they are only passing on a portion of their cost increases. That is simply not true, they will recoup their costs and then some.

    You can give them a pass if you want, but to me, purposely attempting to mislead your customers that way is an unethical business practice, its basically false advertising.
     
  4. Feb 3, 2012 #744 of 809
    Shades228

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    Just because a company posts a profit doesn't mean that they aren't passing all of the increase on. DIRECTV's goal is not to break even it's to make a profit. So there's nothing misleading about the statement at all. They had an increase of 10% and they chose to only pass on 4% to the customer. They could have trimmed the other 6% with reducing retention credits, equipment savings, labor costs, or they could have chosen to eat the 6% in their reduced profit margin. It's nothing nefarious as you're attempting to make it out to be.

    So their statement is factual just because you want to read more into the intent doesn't change that.
     
  5. Feb 3, 2012 #745 of 809
    James Long

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    That's the trouble with the statement. They didn't only pass on 4% to the customer. They passed on the entire 10% programming cost increase. It just gets diluted in the math. There is a good chance that their 4% increase in billing will raise more money than their 10% increase in costs - dollar for dollar.

    And yes, companies are allowed to make a profit. But were they not making a profit before this increase? If the rate increase was a true dollar for dollar increase they could continue to make the same profit as before - which would not be bad for the company. When the company wants to INCREASE their profits and pass it off as if they are giving their customers a discount it doesn't pass the fact check.

    They are not passing on 4% of a 10% increase. They are passing on the entire increase. But the language they use is designed to make customers feel better about the increase. It is apparently working. :)
     
  6. Feb 3, 2012 #746 of 809
    hdtvfan0001

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    You're right...but some folks just like to endlessly battle about almost anything...even when their position is purely based on speculation.

    TDK1044 said it best - if customers they don't like it...and it bothers them so much...they can always vote their wallet.
     
  7. Feb 3, 2012 #747 of 809
    trh

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    How are you calculating that? If you look at their 2010 Shareholder's report and add 10% to programming and 4% to subscription revenue, they end up losing money. But without seeing all the numbers, it is all speculation on our part.
     
  8. Feb 3, 2012 #748 of 809
    BattleScott

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    It's not speculation at all. You have to remember that the rates they pay are largely tied to current subscriber count.
    10% is the amount their payments are projected to increase this year. This 10% includes the amount they will need to pay for additional subscribers as well as any increase in actual per subscriber fees that go up after any carriage agreement renewals. Using a conservative estimate of ~1M new subs that's a 5% increase in cost just for new head count. So there needs to be a portion of that new subscriber revenue factored in as well and it's really closer to 5 to 7% that needs to be offset with subscriber rate increases.
    The 5-7 is speculation of course, the concept that it is significantly less than 10 is fact. Since anything less than 9 makes it a profitable number, I think they are more than covered.
     
  9. Feb 3, 2012 #749 of 809
    lparsons21

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    Bogus comparison, imo. Should be AT250 vs Choice Ultra, or AT200 vs Choice Xtra. But here's a quickie.

    Dish : 6 Vip612 (equiv to HR)= 5x$10= $50
    AT250 $65
    DVR service $6

    Dish total : $121

    Direct: 6 HRs = 5x$6 (today's price) = $30
    Choice Ultra = $65
    DVR Service = $7

    Direct Total : $102 or $112 depending on HD free or not, which isn't a given at D*.

    Of course, the prices at D* are going up a little, $1 more for each HR and $5(I think) for Ultra, so this month the total with D* would be around $112.
     
  10. Feb 3, 2012 #750 of 809
    hdtvfan0001

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    In reality....without knowing the facts and specific numbers (which is confidential and not know to 99.9% of anyone here), ANY discussion of %, amounts, or comparisons in terms of what is passed on to consumers is speculation.

    The original statement that DirecTV released reflects their stated numbers. No one here knows the numbers behind those numbers to actually determine their validity.

    Speculate away...
     
  11. Feb 3, 2012 #751 of 809
    Cyber36

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    That's funny - I've been getting Chiller & NBA TV, Nicktoons, Oxygen, & Speed all along......
     
  12. Feb 3, 2012 #752 of 809
    lparsons21

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    Now let's do a bit of a speculative costing of D* vs E* with the HR34 + 5 Hxxx versus a 2 Hopper+3 Joeys. The costs associated on the E* side are speculative, but based on some info from the 'other' site.

    Direct = $35 Lease fees + $75 Ultra + $10 MRV = $120

    Dish = $35 Lease Fees + $70 T250 + $10 MRV = $115

    Basically both posts show that the number and type of equipment in the case of E* has a big effect on total cost vs D*. And that is as expected because E* has never been known to be cheaper when bigger installs are involved.

    You can't even lease more than 3 dual-tuner sat receivers from them, you have to purchase above that.
     
  13. Feb 3, 2012 #753 of 809
    harsh

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    Other than someone with an insuperable distrust of the equipment they use, who would need six HD DVRs?
     
  14. Feb 3, 2012 #754 of 809
    sigma1914

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    That's not a fair comparison for either one, IMO. A HR34 + 5 HR2x = 15 tuners for the same price if the HR2x were just H2x (10 tuners). And the 2 Hopper + 3 Joeys = 6 tuners. (Joeys use Hopper tuners like RVU clients use HR34 tuners)

    With such diverse possible combinations it's hard to make comparisons. :lol:
    Both have their benefits.
     
  15. Feb 3, 2012 #755 of 809
    sigma1914

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    A 6 member household, which isn't too uncommon with extended families.
     
  16. Feb 3, 2012 #756 of 809
    MurrayW

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    Someone who wants to record and watch all NFL Sunday ticket games each week. That's me (except I only have 5). :) I'll be getting an HR34 before the next season starts to replace one of my HR2x's.
     
  17. Feb 3, 2012 #757 of 809
    Devo1237

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    Really? I definitely never had NBA TV (except maybe when I was subscribing to the sports pack). The weird thing is the CSR I spoke to when upgrading also said that I would be adding B10 Network, HDNet, and NBC Sports, all of which I've always received. I guess everyone is confused about what exactly is in the Total Choice package.

    Regardless, the point is I didn't lose any channels going to Choice Extra Classic (except the one Brazilian music channel) but I gained several that I'd been eyeing, and it won't cost me anything for a year.
     
  18. Feb 3, 2012 #758 of 809
    Devo1237

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    Wow, do you actually watch every game? I respect your dedication. Talk about getting your moneys worth.
     
  19. Feb 3, 2012 #759 of 809
    trh

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    We have five DVRs and one H25 receiver -- and not because of any distrust of the equipment. Just totally different viewing habits.
     
  20. Feb 3, 2012 #760 of 809
    chick3112215

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    We have 4 ppl in our house and have 5 HD DVRS and 1 HD receiver active and 2 R22x's (owned) in a closet as spares. so 6 units are nit uncomon
     

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