New GUI

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by raott, Oct 23, 2017.

  1. Nov 4, 2017 #101 of 2621
    slice1900

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    Perhaps you should read the Tivo forums first - a lot of people feel the same way about their new interface.

    Fortunately if you are on the old interface (i.e. get a regular bolt, not the Bolt Vox which I think comes with Hydra) you can stick with it if you want. Similar to how they made it optional to stick with the SD interface for years after they introduced the HD interface. I used the SD interface for several years on my Premiere until they replaced Flash that drove the interface with different middleware that didn't have such crappy performance, I would have been pretty unhappy if I had been forced to use that turd from day one!

    A few years of bug fixes and the performance improvement and it was quite nice - now it is lightning fast on my Bolt and I don't see any reason why a new interface would improve my experience so I'm sticking with what I've got. Maybe I'll check out Hydra in a couple years after they've fixed the issues people have with it...

    That's what I really don't get about all this - people have been whining for years that Directv needs to update their interface. They do, and everyone whines about that. What was wrong with the old interface that a new interface would solve, other than "it looks boring when everyone else is coming out with a new interface". Be careful what you wish for.
     
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  2. Nov 4, 2017 #102 of 2621
    bearcat250

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    I pressed the 0 button and all it does is bring up the top channel banner.
     
  3. Nov 4, 2017 #103 of 2621
    GordonGekko

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    I like what I see so far regarding Hydra via Youtube previews although the one thing that seems to mimic the Directv DVR is the shadowed progress bar, I gather you can't change the appearance although I read you can enter a code to have the bar exit immediately after hitting fast forward.

    True people have been calling for an update but a team of monkeys could have designed a more fluid and intuitive GUI. I can live with the Menu screen and in some ways it is an improvement but the Guide, Playlist, & Progress Bar are garbage.

    And you are correct in that what needed to be improved was more functional than visual. Directv could have made fast forward smoother, could have eliminated an annoying live buffer issue, when you pause live tv, watch a recorded program, if you delete the program live tv buffer unpauses, so you have to go back, pause it again and go back to your Playlist to watch a different program.

    But again little makes sense with this update, they make the font big on the progress bar further obscuring the bottom portion of the screen but they make the font small on the Playlist and Guide. If you look at the Hydra Tivo interface, your programs stand out with background art, large tile images, navigation seems to be a breeze.

    On that Tivo Bolt, besides voice are there any functional differences between the Bolt and the Bolt Vox?
     
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  4. Nov 4, 2017 #104 of 2621
    compnurd

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    No there is no difference and honestly the reviews of hydra have been largely positive. And to add the interface flies on the bolt and is still fast on the old mini. Unlike this new directv interface which makes the genie and the mini both slower
     
  5. Nov 4, 2017 #105 of 2621
    GordonGekko

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    Thanks, I might take Slice's advice, get the Bolt, on sale at Best Buy 1tb for $199 and wait to upgrade as once again the progress bar on Hydra is the same joke it now is on Genie and Hydra does not yet have 30 second skip and I use that all the time watching sports.
     
  6. Nov 4, 2017 #106 of 2621
    guitarguy316

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    No update yet on my hs17 or clients
     
  7. Nov 4, 2017 #107 of 2621
    compnurd

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    Hydra does have 30 second skip.. it seems to depend on how you had it enabled on the previous version.. So if you had 30 second scan enabled on Gen 3.. then Hydra has that.. If you enabled 30 second skip on Gen 3 then Hydra uses that.. But there is no way in Hydra yet to toggle it... But Yeh find a non vox bolt on clearance and you can add the vox remote later I actually like the progress bar on Hydra.. The plus on Directv is it doesnt take up half the screen
     
  8. Nov 4, 2017 #108 of 2621
    lparsons21

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    The only differences between the Bolt and Bolt Vox are the remote and color of the box. All the Vox boxes are black

    I have a Bolt and Roamio and have Hydra on both and like it. Yeah it is very visually different and there are some things missing, but overall it is a great upgrade IMO. A couple things that are missing are no Live Guide and the Grid Guide only sorts by channel number, I don't find either to be show stoppers. A Tivo rep who posts on the Tivo Community Forums has said they are looking at many things that might come back.

    Most of the complaints about Hydra were that the upgrade didn't go as smoothly on the Minis as it should have. The lack of Live Guide is a big complaint. Also a couple buttons on the Remote were changed a bit. I see the majority of complaints being of the kind that happen any time a big change is made in a UI. Overall it is being pretty well accepted.
     
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  9. Nov 4, 2017 #109 of 2621
    slice1900

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    Lack of Live Guide is a show stopper for me - that's one of the best things about Tivo over all over DVRs IMHO! I expect they'll fix that eventually, and probably put in a 30 second toggle because if I had got a Bolt Vox last month instead of a Bolt and found out I couldn't enable 30 second skip it would have gone right back in the box!

    I still haven't seen any compelling arguments on Tivo forums about why Hydra is functionally better. Being visually different and mixing menu items around doesn't improve anything, even if they bring back the features important to me. The current interface does everything I need to do easily, so why switch? Especially when they have got it 99% debugged now, I'll let all the suckers who have to have something that looks "new" deal with all the bugs Hydra will inevitably have, and if they ever add anything to the new interface that makes it worth switching then I'll make the jump.
     
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  10. Nov 4, 2017 #110 of 2621
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    When you are in the playlist, 0 switches between latest and a-z for sort. When you are in the guide, it gives you a couple options the dash button used to. But you have to be in the guide or the playlist.
     
  11. Nov 4, 2017 #111 of 2621
    inkahauts

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    Well, the did a couple things right... guide isn’t really different, just ads a line.. playlist is much nice with the filtering options on the side. But they negated all that with the awful fade... it’s like they took one step forward and then 12 back just for the freaking fade alone, and then moving to a scheme that requires more contrast than color to read the screen was also bad form. I’m not so sure the size is as much a problem as the lack of contrast for how hard it is for people to read, either way they could make the font one point size larger and do better colors and get rid of the fade and I doubt there would be nearly as many complaints.
     
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  12. Nov 5, 2017 #112 of 2621
    bearcat250

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    Got it, thank you.
     
  13. Nov 5, 2017 #113 of 2621
    raott

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    One does not have to be mutually exclusive of the other. Directv could have updated their GUI by using design for the customer principals, listening to feedback from those who were telling them the usability issues, and they would have likely gotten it right the first time. It appears that didn't happen, judging by many of the posts at the CE site (and there seems to be a good level of frustration there).

     
  14. Nov 5, 2017 #114 of 2621
    Grafixguy

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    There are millions of subscribers. 99.9% of them will never visit this site and even less will be CE testers. While I have no doubt DTV will receive complaints as this rolls out, most will not care.

    I get that some are unhappy and when it hits me, I might be unhappy, too, but it's just not possible to judge how well something is being received by looking at posts on forums such as this where typically you have a mix of power users and people who just want help.
     
  15. Nov 5, 2017 #115 of 2621
    inkahauts

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    Totally disagree. It is absolutely possible on some things. Especially things they tried before and got so many calls they fixed before as well. So what do they do, they go and make it worse everywhere than last time. I am talking about the fade. It’s stupid and it’s everywhere, where as when it failed last time they rolled out a new GUI it was just the playbar.

    There are certain design principles that you don’t need a large population, or even an average one to find out how something is going to be received.

    With that said, there are some things people are complaining about because they just do not like it, and that will take more people using it to see it overall. A good example of that is the number of shows set to record in the series manager list. You now have to have the show highlighted to see how many upcoming recordings are stead of seeing a number next to each name in the list. That just isn’t going to matter imho to the general masses and probably won’t even be noticed by 95% of people. The fade? Everyone, especially sports watchers will rip them for it. As they should.
     
  16. Nov 5, 2017 #116 of 2621
    GordonGekko

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    You nailed it, I can live with all of the other mistakes but the fade surrounding the progress bar ruins fast forwarding NBA and NFL games. That is the one thing motivating me to go through the annoyance of a cable installation. The fade also obscures headlines when watching news or business programs. But it appears that currently the fade has been adopted by TIVO with the Hydra update. I am willing though to get the Bolt, avoid the Hydra update and hope Tivo changes it back to the simple line progress bar.
     
  17. Nov 5, 2017 #117 of 2621
    GordonGekko

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    According to this forum, you can revert back to the old GUI by forcing an update, anybody else try this?

    New Directv GUI - ATTROCIOUS DISASTER! - Are you kidding me?
     
  18. Nov 6, 2017 #118 of 2621
    inkahauts

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    That might delay you having to deal with it, for anywhere from a few months to one more day. But yes, you can go back for the moment.
     
  19. Nov 6, 2017 #119 of 2621
    GordonGekko

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    Yeah according to a response over there it does not mean a permanent roll back so I won't bother.
     
  20. Nov 6, 2017 #120 of 2621
    P Smith

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    to make your STB protected from FW updates, you must do "a vasectomy" of EEPROM inside of DVR, eg change a voltage on \WP pin ;)
    bad thing is DTV sometimes make system changes, so old FW will not work with new features, good thing it's happen on rare occasions (like cease MPG) and taking "new" FW after it will be "polished" in an year is less stressful for many customers, than taking it early and be a guinea pig :)
     

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