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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Marwood, Dec 21, 2011.

  1. Dec 21, 2011 #81 of 101
    Davenlr

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    Not if your locals cram 3 SD subchannels along with their HD signal. I find the BEST HD signal is from the C band broadcasts, NASA HD, and PBS HD. Directv is a close second on their 1080i specialty channels like HDNet, Smithsonian, etc.

    Isnt 30' a little long for HDMI? I dont really know the limit, never checked.
     
  2. Dec 21, 2011 #82 of 101
    Marwood

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    My locals are excellent - we watch ota whenever we can. I actually think my cables were longer than 30, but at the time (two years or so ago) I was told my problems were due to the length - possibly they are better now. But I have no desire to go back under the house unless I have to lol
     
  3. Dec 21, 2011 #83 of 101
    xmguy

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    I too have a multi TV setup in one room. A 32" HDTV and a 13" SDTV. SD TV I use by my bed then the HD is by my computer. Use a RF Modulator. I dont like the HD on SD lockout either. BUT it was worse in the CEs for the HD UI. I had to either go deep in the menus before going from HD to SD or press the info button, press the up button, then right about 4 times to get the Format option to change and watch the receiver for the SD 480p led to appear. All without seeing anything on the SD TV screen. THEN dive into the setup menu and disable all the HD resolutions. Then lastly set the format to letterbox. A TOTAL PITA! I do wish it was like it used to be before the HD UI. But I'd rather press the Exit key and get SD then letterbox vs the other.
     
  4. Dec 21, 2011 #84 of 101
    inkahauts

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    Interesting. I picked up a 100 ft hdmi cable from them a few years back for a special purpose, and it worked great. What issues did you have, and did you run it through a splitter or switch of some sort as well?
     
  5. Dec 22, 2011 #85 of 101
    Marwood

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    You know I really don't remember to be honest.
     
  6. Dec 22, 2011 #86 of 101
    su_A_ve

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    Years ago when E* HDDVR had the option to watch a different program on a 2nd set (SD), the only option to replicate it under D* was using an RF modulator.

    In fact, that was the only option before MRV.

    Now spend $50 on the component to composite, or $6 a month for a new receiver. Or run HDMI or couple of cat6 lines and baluns.

    Whatever it is, it will cost us... I ordered a box from monoprice and set a thank you to D*
     
  7. Dec 23, 2011 #87 of 101
    adam1115

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    I bet if you were really that pissed and you called retention, they'd probably give you a free H24 and even credit you $6/mo for 24 months.
     
  8. Dec 23, 2011 #88 of 101
    Scott Kocourek

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    A "free" receiver will still cost you $6/Month with a 2 year agreement. The other solution is a one time fee. I don't think you need retentions to tell you that.
     
  9. Dec 23, 2011 #89 of 101
    Shades228

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    MRV doesn't allow you to watch a second show without a receiver either.

    People have this setup because they don't want to spend the extra money per month. The $40 cost of the modulator is nothing compared to what you haven't paid. In fact take how long you've had your setup and multiple by 6 for 1 year and 5 for the remaining then see how much the costs are comparatively.

    I can understand not wanting to spend money for whatever reason but the fact of the matter is these installations are not supported so when they change something they're not going to think about or care about them. Modernize your setup or accept that you're intentionally keeping an unsupported setup and that it's on you to fix it when there are issues.

    If you had this setup installed from 94-98 I can understand why you think it's how it should be because it was. Technology changes and the setups change. I'm betting that anyone who's been around that long has been offered upgrades or is eligible for one.
     
  10. Jun 3, 2012 #90 of 101
    Continental Divide

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    It occurred to me it might be helpful to others who may have found themselves in this same quandary to revive this thread. After suffering for a 1/2 year from D*'s firmware "upgrade", which because of our unique situation (i.e. whole house coax distribution), rendered our viewing experience unbearable due to having to constantly deal with the "Your cables or TV are SD etc. etc." 20 second long full screen message and having to constantly change resolutions to accommodate our situation (holding the "Exit" button on the remote rarely worked). Also the component to composite converter was never an option in our situation either as the component outputs on the receiver were already in use. So we were never able to view programming in HD on our Panny Plasma TV in the living room while watching it simultaneously on our SD TV's in the other rooms.

    So recently the solution arrived on the horizon: DISH's new Hopper-Joey System. We had been a D* subscriber continuously for 18 years (since 1994), but because of our situation it was finally time to say goodbye and adopt this new cutting edge technology. So now we enjoy HD in all the other rooms of our home (yes, we bought all new TV's :)), and the Hopper is fast and responds immediately to the remote, unlike D*'s sluggish receiver. The extra advantages of the Hopper-Joey system (like automatic skipping over commercials in Prime Time programming!) are too numerous to mention here. I urge you to do your own research.

    So, if you are like us and have a home with a coax distribution system and find yourself frustrated I urge you to consider the Hopper-Joey system. You wont be sorry!
     
  11. Jun 3, 2012 #91 of 101
    inkahauts

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    So your saying there is a coax output that is live all the time on dishes hopper? Good for you. I take this to also mean you still do not have boxes at every tv in the house correct?
     
  12. Jun 3, 2012 #92 of 101
    Continental Divide

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    Yes to the first question, and yes, there are no boxes at every TV (there's a "Joey" receiver at every TV, very small, about 6"x5", fits behind the TV, not even visible). And with 3 tuners in the Hopper every TV can serve up a different show simultaneously.

    Here's a Joey:

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  13. Jun 3, 2012 #93 of 101
    inkahauts

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    Well if you have a box at every tv you could have easily done the same with DIRECTV and had h25s which are small just like the joeys placed at all the remote tvs and been just fine. And they give you a little more flexibility too over what you have because their tuners don't take away from the DVRs like a Joey does.

    In the end though, I am glad your happy, just realize you chose to use the same solution to your issue as DIRECTV offers, but with a different company.
     
  14. Jun 3, 2012 #94 of 101
    Continental Divide

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    Yes, except that would have required a different wiring scheme (new cable, holes drilled in the walls etc.) whereas the MoCA protocol makes use of the existing coax which was run within in the walls of my house when it was built for HD distribution. Absolutely no changes in my existing wiring was necessary (including the double run of RG6 from the dish to the Hopper). The entire install required nothing more than to swap out the Satellite dish, and replace the D* receiver with the Hopper, done deal. Placing the Joey's behind the TV's takes about 2 minutes.

    Plus there's the benefit of the extra features the Hopper has (commercial skipping Auto Hop is amazing, no more FF or 6-8 presses of the 30 sec. skip to get through commercials) not to mention finally having a receiver that responds instantly to the commands from the remote! (1 RF remote included with the Hopper, and 1 remote included with each Joey). And as a new customer I'm saving $900 in the first year with DISH (free install and about $75 / month for the total programming package for the first year, compared to the $150 / month I was spending on D*.

    I'm not being a DISH fanboy here, I'm just saying this was the logical solution for me, plus I've always been an early adopter of what's new, and after 18 years with D* it was time to try something new.

    Here's a wiring diagram to show how simple the Hopper-Joey install is. Example is for a 3 room setup:
     

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  15. Jun 3, 2012 #95 of 101
    Scott Kocourek

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    I hate to break it to you but that's how the DIRECTV receivers do MRV too, oh and you can have other receivers and not give all of your others just because you get the HR34.

    Many have the HR34 and other HR receivers that all share programming with the regular HD receivers, not to mention the folks that have the Rvu Samsung tv's.

    What additional wiring do you think is needed?
     
  16. Jun 3, 2012 #96 of 101
    Continental Divide

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    Scott, your not telling me anything I don't already know. Why would I lease more receivers and pay D* even more $$$ on my monthly bill? Kitchen TV is located on a ceiling mount and there's no room for a receiver there anyway. The same is true for our bedrooms (all have ceiling mounts for the TV's, no place to locate a receiver under them). The Joeys take up no room at all and are neatly concealed behind the TV's.

    BTW, did you know that the Hopper can record ALL primetime programming from all 4 networks (every show!) using one tuner and save them for 8 days? No need to set up Season Passes on any network primetime shows ever again, not to mention the ability to go back and watch a program that was on that you may have missed because you didn't know about it in the first place. And all this with the commercials automatically skipped without ever touching the remote. That alone is a beautiful thing!

    To each his own I guess...
     
  17. Jun 3, 2012 #97 of 101
    dpeters11

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    But you talked about needing new wiring for the DirecTV system, that was our confusion. Is the Joey really that much smaller than an H25?

    I can guarantee you Scott does know all the features of the Hopper. Personally, to do what I'd want, I'd need to use two Hoppers instead of one HR34. No solution is the right one for everyone.

    Ok, the H25 is 2" wider, half an inch deeper, and .37" shorter. Has its own tuner, but of course cant trickplay live tv. I'm not sure it's fair to compare a 25 and Joey. A C30/C31 compared to Joey maybe.
     
  18. Jun 3, 2012 #98 of 101
    Scott Kocourek

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    I've said it countless times, You have to get what you believe is best for you family and wallet. I have never gone to the Dish forums and tried to convince someone the DIRECTV stuff is better. ;)

    Yes I do know how the Hopper/Joey works and by looking at the diagram that you provided I cannot see how DIRECTV wiring is somehow inferior because the HR series receivers (all of them) could be put into that equation and work essentially the same way. Oh yeah and I do know that you can record all that "stuff", I just record what I want to with the 11 available tuners that I currently have with my 1 HR34 and 3 HR2x receivers (that I was able to keep when I upgraded.)
     
  19. Jun 3, 2012 #99 of 101
    Continental Divide

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    And I didn't come here preaching that DISH stuff is better. I never said that. If that's what your inferring from my comments then there's not much else for me to say. DISH vs. D*? Just comparing Apples to Oranges if you ask me.

    Show me where I said or even inferred that D*'s wiring is inferior. I never said that either. Granted I wasn't specific on that count, I was just thinking of the added equipment like the SWM, SWM power supply, Band Stop Filters, Deca Units & Deca power supplies etc. etc. and their associated wiring. I was just thinking that the wiring to tie all these components together was more complex compared to the simplicity of the Hopper setup. At any rate please don't read into my comments beyond what I've actually said. No reason to get overly defensive here.

    My only reason for posting this was to bring awareness to others of another option for fixing the problems I and others posed earlier in this thread. That's all. I didn't expect this to devolve into a which is better, DISH vs. D* debate. Like I already said, I'm not a DISH fanboy! Perhaps I shouldn't have posted this at all considering the sarcasm and rancour in your response. C'est La Vie.
     
  20. Jun 3, 2012 #100 of 101
    dpeters11

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    DECAs are only needed for older equipment, they allow you to not have to get new hardware to upgrade to Whole Home. SWM is usually just a different LNB on the dish with a power inserter. Band stop filters are only needed in certain situations, and in only one very specific scenario with HD boxes.

    It may not be true, but it always seems to me that Dish is still trying to increase sales of new equipment from Echostar. I know they are separate companies, but while only a few features are not possible on all DirecTV HD boxes with or without an addon (like 3D), it's much more common on Dish. But then their ones may be faster, either due to that or the nightly reboots.
     

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