New HDGUI and the DVR's SD outputs

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by bishoph, Dec 6, 2011.

  1. Jan 6, 2012 #41 of 314

    Davenlr Geek til I die

    Sep 16, 2006
    Sony eh? :)

    Seriously, Sony's have a lot of "sharpness" enhancing the PQ out of the box. Some prefer artificial, some dont. As for ESPN, sometimes I swear they use SD widescreen cameras and just sharpen the picture up a little.

    If you want to compare the SD vs HD quality of your TV, use a channel like HDNet, HDNMovies, or Smithsonian.
  2. Jan 6, 2012 #42 of 314

    nowandthen DBSTalk Club DBSTalk Club

    Nov 18, 2005
    Another customer that used the modulated output to feed other TVs in my house. I spent the $54 on the converter ($54 with tax and shipping) but was not too happy about that.

    I agree the banner that cover 75% of the screen for 20 seconds is obnoxious.

    I for one never felt the guide was slow. Waiting for the Guide or List screens to display after pressing the corresponding button is what's slow IMO.

    The HD guide is nice but the SD guide was fine too.

    What happens when they plug the analog hole?

    I could afford more receivers at the other TVs but the reason I don't do it is this: When watching live TV I very often pause the program or rewind up to 90 minutes (love 90 minute buffers). By using the modulated output I can go to another TV and pick up where I left off. Can't do that if the other rooms had their own receivers. If you told me the HMC could do that then I would invest in that setup. Otherwise I will just have to deal with this.

    Unfortunately I will have to spend another $54 to add the converter box to my theater DVR or find a really cheap small HD TV. I have an old SD LCD that I use to schedule recordings instead of waiting for the projector to fire up. And I can't program via online or app because Directv doesn't allow padding from those methods (that I know of). I wish they would ad that option, so I can pad my NFL games.

    I encourage Directv to find some sort of solution for this. An easy way to toggle between two resolutions would be nice, except when someone else is still watching the HD TV.
  3. Jan 6, 2012 #43 of 314

    Davenlr Geek til I die

    Sep 16, 2006
    Press and hold EXIT.
  4. Jan 6, 2012 #44 of 314

    Shades228 DaBears

    Mar 18, 2008
    Can't we get these various threads merged? The one thread that has a solution is locked.
  5. Jan 7, 2012 #45 of 314

    sfpegasus Cool Member

    Feb 27, 2008
    Condo Association won't let me run any more cable in here. I've got what I got. :mad:
  6. Jan 7, 2012 #46 of 314

    opelap Legend

    Nov 4, 2006
    Another dissatisfied customer with this SD Banner. Guess I don't understand how the box can downres a HD video stream with no issues but cannot downres the guide with the same efficiency?

    Not happy about having to spend another $50 to keep the functionality I already had.
  7. Jan 7, 2012 #47 of 314

    Juppers Icon

    Oct 26, 2006
    They say they have done this for speed, yet I don't see this speed they are talking about. The guide is still painfully slow, and it has crippled my addional sets and slingbox. Oh yeah, and now the recording light only works occasionally. At least their software team is living up to the very low bar they have set since they started making their own pathetic software.
  8. Jan 7, 2012 #48 of 314

    rwmair Godfather

    Nov 16, 2006
    OK - good point. I'll try the test again with a channel like HDNet vs a Std Def channel. I'll also "unhide SD duplicates" and contrast the SD and HD versions of the same channel.

    Still, if the Sony influences the PQ itself, I don't understand why it makes ESPN-HD look good when the receiver is only outputting 480p, but can't make BBC America-SD look similarly sharp.
  9. Jan 7, 2012 #49 of 314

    Davenlr Geek til I die

    Sep 16, 2006
    OK, first, do not compare your TV's SD vs HD capabilities using a DirecTv SD channel. They are totally over compressed and wont provide a quality comparison. You will NEVER get a DirecTV SD channel to look even as good as a DVD (also 480). I have a $500 video processor, and cannot make DirecTV SD channels look like anything but muck. It helps, but gets no where near unprocessed DVD's.

    Use one of the above mentioned HD channels, and switch the DVR/receiver from 480i to 1080i using the format button (old GUI) or EXIT (new GUI) with NATIVE OFF. This will let the DVR change the resolution using the same source material, giving you a better idea of each of the resolutions, and at what point stepping up from 480 thru 1080 gives the best results on your TV. It SHOULD look progressively better on each step up.

    Also note that the viewing distance vs screen size matters. There are points at which you are to far away from a given screen size to be able to notice any improvements.
  10. Jan 7, 2012 #50 of 314

    mfryd Mentor

    Jan 1, 2010
    It's a shame that DirecTV is misrepresenting the situation to their subscribers. There's an easy solution that will make everyone happy.

    Obviously, the current hardware is capable of a standard definition guide overlaying a high def picture. That's what the old software did.

    Although the new GUI looks good in HD, it also looks just fine in 480i. You can see for yourself by setting the receiver to 480i.

    The option that would make everyone happy would be to give users an option to lock the new GUI to 480i. This would allow the GUI to appear simultaneously on the SD and HD outputs. For those of us who simultaneously use both outputs, this would solve our problem with the new GUI. Those who don't use simultaneous output, could see the new GUI in high def.
  11. Jan 7, 2012 #51 of 314

    NFLnut Icon

    Sep 28, 2006

    I do the same. I am NOT interested in paying more $$$ just because DirecTV decided that we "needed" a new GUI, although the previous one worked fine! :nono2:

    I've about had my fill of DirecTV nonsense!
  12. Jan 8, 2012 #52 of 314

    Scooter22 Legend

    Jun 22, 2007
    I keep reading about component to composite, but what about people like me who distribute video and audio over coax (RG6)? The HR20 is connected with HDMI to our 52" LCD TV and I send the audio and video over coax to my kitchen TV.
    It's a 20" television that fits perfectly in a nook over the ovens. I don't want to spend more money for a smaller widescreen television. I also don't want to buy another receiver as I already have 6 running in the house as it is.

    I'm going to have buy 2 converters (Component to Coax) to make this work, right?
    I have cat5e and coax runs just about everywhere in my house, so I could also distribute it over the network if needed.

    I guess the component to coax converters are my best choice (read cheapest), right?
  13. Jan 8, 2012 #53 of 314

    litzdog911 Well-Known Member

    Jun 23, 2004
    Mill Creek, WA
    What sort of "coax distribution setup" do you have? The HR20 doesn't have a Coax OUT, so you must already be using the HR20's Composite Video OUT to feed your "coax distribution" box, right? Just stick a Component-to-Composite Video Converter in between the HR20 and your "coax distribution" box input and you'll be fine.
  14. Jan 8, 2012 #54 of 314

    Scooter22 Legend

    Jun 22, 2007
    That makes sense now. Currently, I have my HR20 connected to a composite to RF (coax) adapter then it's sent to the kitchen over RG6 and connected to the cable/antenna input on the kitchen TV.

    Hmm. Wait a minute... That takes care of the video, how's it going to handle the audio portion of this?

    I realize you help a LOT of members here, litzdog911, so thanks for taking the time to help me. :up:
  15. Jan 8, 2012 #55 of 314

    Scooter22 Legend

    Jun 22, 2007
    Oy.. I think I got it figured out. Convert the component output from the HR20 with a component video to composite adapter like you said and leave the RCA (red and white) connectors hooked up to the original composite to RF adapter.

    I've made several edits on my previous post, so I'm sorry if I confused any of you.
  16. Jan 8, 2012 #56 of 314
    Carl Spock

    Carl Spock Superfly

    Sep 3, 2004
    Yeah, I'd get all upset over this, too, if I was you.

    The nerve of those guys to eliminate a feature used by a few in favor of a feature enjoyed by virtually everyone. :mad:


    Get over it. Engineering is a series of choices. An engineer makes the best ones he thinks he can. Some of those choices will displease people. The goal is to make ones that fulfill the design parameters, will please the most, be reliable and not cost too much.

    You lost. A whole lot more people won.
  17. Jan 8, 2012 #57 of 314

    litzdog911 Well-Known Member

    Jun 23, 2004
    Mill Creek, WA
    No worries. You got it. Glad to help!
  18. Jan 8, 2012 #58 of 314

    bobcamp1 Icon

    Nov 8, 2007
    Can I use this quote when they suddenly drop eSATA support? After all, it's not officially supported either.

    A manager made that choice. The engineer compiles the list of pros and cons for the manager. The manager then ignores the list and makes decisions based on budgets and profit margins. :D

    D* had no idea how many people used that function. It was just an educated guess on their part. It wouldn't surprise me that more people use it than they thought. But the fact they took the time and money to implement the exit button workaround is not good news.

    If D* can control it, a five second pop up vs. a 20 second pop-up would help at least some of the people.

    With all of that said, I do think the HD GUI was needed to keep up with competitors. The fact that some people have had a reduction in functionality is an unfortunate outcome.
  19. Jan 8, 2012 #59 of 314

    Davenlr Geek til I die

    Sep 16, 2006
    You sure they could even disable it, since its in the hardware? And they would rewrite all their "power on self-check" software to remove it? And everyone would just take their eSATA drives and pop them internally...after being ticked off for the hassle? And DirecTv would gain what?
  20. Jan 8, 2012 #60 of 314

    allenn Icon

    Nov 19, 2005
    It's all about increasing your monthly charges . D* has been eliminating features for many moons now. I have been a subscriber since 1994. I have seen DD surround sound added which required a new receiver and an additional monthly charge. DVR's were introduced including the HR10-250. It was obsoleted, because D* cut their partnership with TIVO and changed video compression to MP4. Cost to me was over $1000. The HR20 had OTA capabilities and composite video out. The HR21 does not. When the HR20 died, I had to purchase an AM21 adapter and a component to RF converter. If you wanted to get VOD, Gaming, Media Share and Apps, you had to run ethernet or purchase a wireless bridge adapter for each receiver or DVR. The HR21 and HR22 had ethernet pass-through. This was great because I ran my DVR and Sony PS3 from the same wireless bridge. The HR24 does not have the ethernet pass-through and the HD-UI creates a little troube for component to composite. I purchased a switch to connect the DVR and PS3 to my network. I can live with the manual switching from 1080 to 480. I suspect D* will eliminate ethernet from their future equipment and force their customers to whole-house networking. Also, I can see D* like everyone else move to the cloud data model which would permit the elimination of the HDD. It is all about the money, monthly revenue. Why do I stay with D*? Because they are better than any of the other media providers which include: Charter, Dish, Comcast, and AT&T U-verse. That's my two cents. Now let the argument begin.

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