New NCAA Basketball TV Deal - The End of Mega March Madness?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by DMRI2006, Apr 17, 2010.

  1. Eksynyt

    Eksynyt Icon

    Feb 8, 2008
    It would just be the last 3 15 seeds pushed down into the play-in round. Basically there will be 8 16 seeds now from crappy conferences like the SWAC, MEAC, NEC, Atlantic Sun, Patriot League, Big South, Summit League, Big Sky, Big West, SoCon, Sun Belt, etc. A combination of the 8 worst conference champions based on RPI likely from those leagues.
  2. BetterThanMost

    BetterThanMost Mentor

    Sep 24, 2008
    The reason why the overall #1 seed hasn't played the opening round game winner in some years past is that the overall #1 seed has sometimes been at a Thursday/Saturday location. Kansas('10), North Carolina ('07), Duke ('06), Illinois ('05) and Kentucky ('04) all played at a Thursday/Saturday site. It is too much to ask of the winner of the opening round game to play in Dayton on Tuesday night, get on an airplane Wed. morning, fly to city X, and be ready to play as soon as noon on Thursday. In '08 N. Carolina did play the opening round game winner, as they were at a Fri/Sun. site, and in '09, the sub-regional was at Dayton anyway, so no travel was required for the winner to play Louisville.

    Bingo. No teams that are 14 seeds will play in the opening round games. The teams that would have been 15 and 16 seeds under the 64(or 65) team bracket will play in the 4 opening round games, and the winners would then advance to be the opponents of the 4 #1 seeds. I am guessing that the #1 seeds would all be sent to Fri/Sun sites for the reasons I mentioned above. I would also guess that teams that would have been 13 or 14 seeds under the 64(/65) team bracket would slide down to 14 and 15 seeds under the new format. Undoubtedly the 4 power conference teams that now are the "last 4 in" will get 12 and 13 seeds.

    I agree. I think you'll see two doubleheaders at 2 different sites. I think they'll keep 2 games in Dayton, and add a second site for the other two games. Pure speculation here, but maybe somewhere a little more west of Ohio, maybe somewhere like Omaha, which is a favorite city of the NCAA, has a 18,000 seat arena, and would be a captive, basketball knowledgeable, audience.
  3. sdk009

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    Jan 19, 2007
    Kihei, Maui, HI
  4. frank_gore

    frank_gore Mentor

    Mar 17, 2009
    I could see all 4 games being in Dayton, day and night doubleheaders. I'd much rather have 2 night doubleheaders in 2 different places though. Couldn't ESPN show these games still? I don't know how ESPN was showing the opening round game anyway, was that just an add-on before and ESPN snatched up the rights?

    Pappy, I don't really know how your way would work. Logically, it's better to have 61-68 play in the opening round. Creating 2 play in games like that creates more unneccesary games. You would have one team finally play a 1 seed after they play a couple games.
  5. pappy97

    pappy97 Icon

    Nov 14, 2009
    Math mistake on my part, sorry.

    I do, however, wish play-in games could be for bubble teams as opposed to teams that won their conferences (so instead of 8 conf tourney champs battling, you get the NCAA's last four in battling the last four out) but we know that's not going to happen nor is it realistic to give a team other than 1 seed the victor of a play-in game. If you project to be a 15 or 16 seed under the old format, you'll be in a play in game in this format. I think my math is right on that. Just don't like seeing 8 conference tourney champions have to battle to get into the main NCAA tourney.
  6. nucat95

    nucat95 Mentor

    Sep 22, 2007
    No 15-seed team will be involved with a play-in game. The four 16-seeds will play the four 17-seed teams.

    In my opinion, the 8 teams involved with the play-in games should be the 8 weakest teams in the tournament (regardless of whether they are auto bids or "bubble" teams).

    As others have pointed out, you can't load up these games with "bubble teams" that are clearly better than teams from the lower-level conferences. The winners of these games face the 1-seeds. If they do this, then your going to find the 1-seeds are really playing teams that should legitimately be seeded between 10-14. A 1-seed shouldn't be put in the position of playing a better team than a 2 or 3 seed just because it seems fairer to the teams that "earned" their spot by winning a conference tourney.
  7. GlennDio

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    Jan 19, 2007
    exactly what we had in effect was one 17 seed and now we will have 4 ... they will be the 4 weakest teams in the tournament ... bubble teams are usually 12 seeds or so I think most years depending on how many "bad" champions are added so maybe they move into the 13 and/or 14 seeds now
  8. pappy97

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    Nov 14, 2009
    You missed my point on this. Go back to when there was no play-in games. There were 4 16 seeds.

    Now we are going to add 4 teams to field of 64, and those four additional teams are bubble teams who won't play in the play in games.

    So who will be the 8 teams in play in games? The bottom 8 teams as ranked by the NCAA's. Under the original 64 format, those would be 15 and 16 seeds. That was my point, i.e. in this year's tourney UCSB for example, was a 15 seed. Everything else being equal next season except that 4 more bubble teams make it, now UCSB is very likely in a play in game for the right to play a 1 seed instead of no play-in and drawing a 2 seed. All so a team that didn't do so hot in a major conf can get fully into the NCAA's with no play-in. The value of "Win your conference tourney, get into the NCAA tourney" is now cheapened.

    As to the rest, in my utopia bubble teams would fight for the right to end up a 12 or 13. Yes that would seemingly give a 5 seed an advantage (but maybe not), but does a 1 seed suffer by playing a legitimate 16 seed conf tourney champ that didn't have to play a play-in game? History says no, not at all. But I know we'll never see that, I am fully aware of that.

    BUT what makes for a better play-in game in terms of money and ratings? UCSB v. Alcorn St (for the right to play a 1 seed) or Dayton v. North Carolina (For the right to play a 5, hell or even for the right to be a 5 seed)?
  9. kycubsfan

    kycubsfan AllStar

    Sep 1, 2007
    DirecTV could get some money from me next March by doing a mix channel, similar to the old MLB Strike Zone, that would take you from game to game in pursuit of the best finishes.

    I do not care enough about college sports to bother with surfing from game to game, but I always enjoyed letting CBS do the work for me by only showing compelling games.
  10. Paul Secic

    Paul Secic Hall Of Fame

    Dec 16, 2003
    People who have over the air TV will be a little ticked off... Oh well.
  11. pappy97

    pappy97 Icon

    Nov 14, 2009
    Turns out this is not the case.

    I like it the way they did it. A few (precisely, two) of these new "first round" games are going to be really good. The other two will be more akin to was the "play-in" game.
  12. Lee L

    Lee L Hall Of Fame

    Aug 15, 2002
    Its a little weird to me. I see how they were trying to strike a compromise, but you are saying the number 12 team has to fly to Dayton (potential site of the games) play on Tuesday, then fly to the main site and play again on Thursday or Friday, yet the number 13 team does not? It just dones not make sense. Also, keep in mind that 12 over 5 upsets happen all the time, so this is really screwing the 12 line teams.

    This will also really put a kink in march madness pools. Used to be, selection sunday and the brackets were out on the net right away and in the paper on Monday morning. People then copied them at work and passed the paper around the office Monday afternoon. (or with places like CBS sportsline, you can do it online) You had until Thursday at Noon to get it all set, because the 64-65 play in was meaningless.

    Now, since 12s can certainly beat 5s, the play ins matter and need to be filled in. This means your brackets have to be complete by Tuesday at noon. THis gives you 36 hours or so to fill out your entire pool. Just one night if you are doing an old school office pool. I understand it that the NCAA does not care about enabling low scale gambling, but lots of people only watch due to teh pools. My wife hated college basketball, but because I loved it, she started filling out pools and then became addicted to NCAA basketball.

    THey are going to slowly cut out some of the interest in the tournament, even before they ruin it by allowing 96 teams in.
  13. DMRI2006

    DMRI2006 Godfather

    Jun 13, 2006
    If they're one of the last 4 at-large teams in, then yes.

    Personally I like that. It's going to add a lot more excitement to the first group of games other than the lowest ranked teams being involved.

    Otherwise, I agree with your post about the pools and such being affected. I run a small-scale family competition and some of my relatives who are lukewarm to begin with probably will drop out if it's too much work -- as in, it needs to get done on Day 1, lol. But hey, the NCAA cares more about putting an exciting tournament together as opposed to inconveniencing me, and I don't blame them for adding a couple of games into the mix to get the excitement level up early in the week.
  14. pappy97

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    Nov 14, 2009
    Keep in mind this is a bit different. The classic 12-5 upset was usually a 12 seed who was an (underrated) mid major conf champion playing a 5 seed who was a major at large team.

    Think Cornell over Temple, W. Kentucky over both Illinois and Drake, Montana over Nevada, UW-Milwaukee over Alabama, Pacific over Providence, Manhattan over Florida, etc, etc.

    Now we may have at-large teams batting for a 12 seed spot. That's a bit different than a mid major conf champ battling for that spot. Think North Carolina last year, who didn't make the field of 65. Perhaps they are a new at-large candidate in this format, and play for a 12 seed. If they win and get in, they certainly upset a 5.

    I wouldn't be so quick to assume that 12-5 upsets won't happen, in fact I think they'll happen more if you tell me that out of the 4 12 seeds in the field of 64, 2 may be legit at-large teams, while the other 2 are underrated mid major conf champions.
  15. Lee L

    Lee L Hall Of Fame

    Aug 15, 2002
    SO, on my most recent bill there was a line item that was dated 11/23-12/22 and said "NCAA Mega March Madness 2010 We hope you enjoyed the games."

    Any idea why that would crop up now and did any one else see it? Are they going to do something this year?
  16. Red Dog

    Red Dog Godfather

    Aug 3, 2008
    I've had that on my statement every month since March. I doubt it means anything - they probably just haven't cleared it out of their system.

    I don't see why they would do anything this year, unless they offer a good multiscreen channel (not the crappy multiscreen channel they've had in years past) with the 4 carriers for a very small fee.
  17. Lee L

    Lee L Hall Of Fame

    Aug 15, 2002
    HMM, maybe I did not notice it before.
  18. jefbal99

    jefbal99 Hall Of Fame

    Sep 7, 2007
    I had to call and have mine removed

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