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new plasma- Is it too big?

Discussion in 'High Definition Displays' started by satcrazy, Oct 16, 2011.

  1. satcrazy

    satcrazy Icon

    Mar 15, 2011
    Yeah, I know this was brought up in a previous thread, but I'm kinda struggling with this.

    32" wega crt died. [ sniff]
    Researched all kinds of forums for almost two months. Read somewhere to measure hight of crt screen as a starting point. That took me to a 46" flat panel screen.
    Seems more people than not recommended going up a size, [ quote: no one ever wishes they went smaller, cheaper.] Debated this in my head, but went with a 50".

    I've had it less than a week, but it still seems too big? I'm sitting as far back as I can, [ a bit over 8 feet] but I'm still not adjusted to it yet. Sometimes I get a slight headache [ is this eye strain?] Never had this issue with the Sony CRT.

    50" didn't look this big in the store, and I'm afraid if I ship it back for a 46", I may not be happy with that either. So, what to do?

    Has anyone else had this issue? Might the 46" eliminate the eye strain?

  2. Steve

    Steve Well-Known Member

    Aug 22, 2006
    I don't know. I sit about 10'-12' away from a 65" plasma and often wish I could go bigger! :p That said, I think the difference between 46" and 50" is more psychological than tangible, so I'd stick with the 50" and give it some more time.

    BTW, You're not watching it in "torch" mode (Vivid mode, on a Panasonic plasma, e.g.), are you? If so, that may be why you're experiencing some eye strain. That mode is mainly there to stand out against competing displays side-by-side in a store, IMO, and not intended for home use. Just my .02.
  3. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

    Sep 5, 2006
    Allen, TX
    I went from years of a 21" SDTV to a 27" 4:3 CRT HDTV to a 32" HDTV to a 42" HDTV to finally a 50" HDTV. Each time, I thought, "Damn, that's too big. What was I thinking?" After a week or two, it seemed perfect. I sit about 6' away and it feels like 50" is about my top size.

    When friends saw it, they think it's too big. Then, they get used to it.
  4. Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    I'm one of those people who clearer and bigger. I sit relatively close in the theatre to be immersed in the experience; trying to get as much field of view covered as is reasonable.

    At home, I'm trying to reproduce that immersion.

    Now, one key is video source and how well your equipment might upscale. If you are watching a good HD source (so upscaling isn't needed) I should think your described environment should be fine. If you are watching poor SD with a TV that isn't very well calibrated and poorly upscaling, yeah, you could get some eyestrain for awhile. Even that might go away.

    So double check your settings and your video sources.

  5. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

    Nov 16, 2005
    Wylie, Texas
    Since the ideal display size from around 8' is 60", I'd stick with the 50"

    Make sure you calibrate it.
  6. John Williams

    John Williams Legend

    Oct 5, 2011
    Eye strain can come from many things.

    One has already been mentioned, having the TV set to one of the 'torch' modes (i.e. Vivid, Sport, etc...). These exaggerated settings not only look bad but can cause eye fatigue over a long period of time watching.

    The second and usually bigger problem is room lighting. You're not watching in a completely darkened room are you? Something your mom warned you about when you were little. The only system you watch in complete darkness is a projection system, and this is only because of the large field-of-view it takes up.
    Note: to large of screen and your eyes wonder to much, causing eye fatigue - SMPTE's max is 61.8 degrees field-of-view. Any larger than that is too big. THX's minimum for projection is 26 degrees.

    So.... For a smaller size screen (smaller than a projection system), you need some kind of light in the room to help with eye strain. The absolute best way to do it is with a back light behind the TV. The light needs to be a perfect D6500 color temp, light output no more than 10% of the display, and a neutral color on the wall behind the TV. Of course most people aren't going to go to that extreme but keeping as close to these guildlines as possible will give the best results.
    For some good reading and where you can buy some of the more expensive products, do a search for "Ideal Lume"
    For the more budget and not as accurate, there are LED products worth looking at: search on Amazon for "LED backlight kit"
    At the very least you should have a low wattage lamp or light on, to prevent eye fatigue. Preferably on the side of the room as the display, so you don't create glare on the screen.
    Hope this helps.
  7. Drucifer

    Drucifer Well-Known Member

    Feb 12, 2009
    NY Hudson...
    After having a 36" CRT that I couldn't move, I decided to choose b y weight. So I looked at all sets under one hundred pounds. Ended up with a 52" LCD.
  8. armophob

    armophob Difficulty Concen........

    Nov 13, 2006
    Fort Pierce, FL
    if you have to keep moving your head like at a tennis match, then you have gone too big. Anything else is fine.
  9. olguy

    olguy Hall Of Fame

    Jan 9, 2006
    We sit about 16 feet from the 82" in hte family room, 8 feet from th e60" in the game room upstairs and the 50" on the bedroom wall is about 10 feet from my pillow. I remember when we went from a 27" to the Mits 36" CRT in 1988. Did think I could ever get used to that big ol' thing. We sat about 10 feet from it. When it died we got a 61" Hitachi rear projection. SD in the room the 82" is in now. Bigger is better. :lol:
  10. dirtyblueshirt

    dirtyblueshirt Under Suspicion

    Dec 6, 2008
    Anaheim, CA
    I have a 55" in my living room, and sit8-9 feet from the screen. it's sized perfectly. As others suggested, give it time, you've got a significant upgrade in size for your brain to process. Enjoy your new TV!
  11. satcrazy

    satcrazy Icon

    Mar 15, 2011
    No torch mode, settings are midway.

    Well, I don't feel too crazy now!

    HD source- Dish reciever 222k and the SD channels are crappy. Have not really calibrated it yet.

    Need to calibrate.

    Yes, I have a small light on at night off to one side, LOL, yes I remember "not to watch tv in the dark" I don't understand the SMPTE figures you stated, what is this and how is it related? From what you stated, is 50" at 8ft not correct? It just seems at times my eyes cannot take in whole screen.

    Yeah, my old crt was 165 pounds. No one wanted to volunteer to move it!

    Not quite that bad.

    Thats what I kept reading.

    OK. Seems like I need to give it another week.
    re-occuring thread here is time.

    Thanks, everyone, for taking the time to respond.

    My plasma: panasonic tcp50ST30
    HD source: dish reciever 222k
    My brain: overprocessed
  12. satcrazy

    satcrazy Icon

    Mar 15, 2011
    Does LCD technology give less eyestrain?

    I passed on lcd because of motion blurr [ thought that might be a eye problem]

    Oh, yeah, I did have my eyes checked, [ lol]
  13. Steve

    Steve Well-Known Member

    Aug 22, 2006
    It's not so much where you're set as the "mode" you are in. If Panasonic, e.g., are you in Vivid, Game, Standard, Cinema, or Custom? They all have different gammas, and depending on the content, Vivid's or Game's gamma can cause eyestrain... even with midway settings.
  14. BosFan

    BosFan Legend

    Sep 28, 2009
    Altoona, WI
    I went from a 27" CRT to a 50" Plasma to my current 55" Plasma sitting at 12', 55" is great & probably could go bigger. Here are the calibration settings a I used for my panny; http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Panasonic-TC-P50ST30-Plasma-3D-HDTV-Review/Calibration.htm, same model as yours just 5" bigger, small adjustments and the picture now exceeds my 50" Hitachi plasma it replaced. I also have a 42" LCD in another room and in HD the Plasma is way less strain on my eyes, much better picture. However for SD the 42" LCD is much better, probably mainly because the smaller size doesn't exaggerate the poor quality. Pretty soon you won't knoe how you lived without a TV this size!
  15. Herdfan

    Herdfan Well-Known Member

    Mar 18, 2006
    When you are seated, where are your eyes in relation to the screen? Is the middle 20% of the screen height wise directly in front of you? The reaosn I ask is because when I got my 70" (moved up from a 57"), I got a stand at Best Buy. This put the TV where when I was seated, I was looking at the bottom third. I hated it and thought I had made a huge mistake with this purchase. My wife is the one that pointed out that the TV seemed high. So I did some research and found that the factory stand would lower it by about 6", so I took a chance and ordered it.

    That right there solved the problem. The TV was too high and was causing me strain to look up at it even though it was only a few inches.

    I am also at about 12' and when this 70" Sony SXRD dies (its 5 years old, and given the history with this model is probably on the downhill slide), I am getting at least the 82" Mits DLP. Maybe even go to the 92". :)

    So, no your TV is not too big for your room. My parents have a 52" and they are about 8' and its not a problem for them.
  16. FarmerBob

    FarmerBob Godfather

    Nov 27, 2002
  17. satcrazy

    satcrazy Icon

    Mar 15, 2011
    I'm in cinema mode, game and vivid are unreal looking to me. "judder" seems to be a problem for me, makes me a bit sea-sick, so I've got motion smoother set to high.

    Thanks for the link, I will use it. OK, so much for the LCD, then.

    I actually find that using the 4:3 aspect reduces size, and seems to make SD clearer, making it easier to watch right now. [ I'm not sure if the grey bars will have any adverse effects on the tv though] Hopefully I can graduate to full screen.

    The height of my stand is 24 1/2 inches, and where I sit I'm not quite dead center, [?] but, I've seen higher stands so I know what you mean. My stand was pretty expensive and robust as I neede a good one for that behemoth CRT. So I'm locked into it for awhile. I don't really feel like I'm looking up, it's more the expanse from side to side, 4:3 seems to help that though.

    So, according to this chart, I'm in the middle of the range.

    Thanks again everyone!
  18. satcrazy

    satcrazy Icon

    Mar 15, 2011
    OK, I went to the link you suggested, and checked my settings, but I have a question about contrast, Isn't 100 too high for a new set?

    Also read the review, and it wasn't very good. Makes all the research I did seems like a waste. What made you decide on this TV?

    I couldn't care less about 3D, I just wanted a really good 2D.

    Did you see any other plasmas you liked as well?

    I had 3:2 pulldown and motion smoother enabled already, because like I mentioned the jitter/motion movement on some broadcasts are very noticable[I guess it has to do with the 24p frame rate] to me. Question is, do all plasma's suffer this same problem?
    I would hate to return this for another, only to find out they all do this.

    I guess that was part of my thinking regarding going to a 46", maybe the problems would shrink with size, lol.
  19. BosFan

    BosFan Legend

    Sep 28, 2009
    Altoona, WI
    I know when I got my 1st Hitachi Plasma nearly 3 years ago that high of a contrast would not have been recommend until after 100 hours but from what I can tell in the manual and elsewhere it doesn't seem to be an issue for the new ones.

    I didn't see enough poor reviews of this TV to give me doubt, most of my research is based on Consumer Reports, Amazon & Newegg user reviews as well as help from this forum: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=196891

    I will say it did take about 2 weeks of "burn in" for the picture to really be at it's best, now I truly believe it is superior to my 50" Hitachi. I would suggest leaving the pillar bars gray and not bothering to try and watch SD channels in anything other than 4:3, in that case I feel the TV is "too big" and SD just plain looks bad (whether it's OTA, D* or streamed). On my 42" LCD I crop HLN and it looks just fine, not great by any means.

    The only other plasma's I considered were the Samsung's, but side by side in the stores (Best Buy & Sears, under bright fluorescent light) the Panasonic just look better.

    It is too bad there isn't a good way to truly test drive a TV to make sure you like it. IMHO I still think you will come to really enjoy it but what is right for me may not be for you.

    Good luck!:D
  20. satcrazy

    satcrazy Icon

    Mar 15, 2011
    Thanks, Bos

    I really want to enjoy my TV despite my concerns.

    Will give it more time.

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