New Star Trek on CBS All Access January 2017

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  1. SayWhat?

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    Just turn the TV off.

    End of problem.

    Been the best year for lack of TV frustration I can remember. No TV. No frustration.
     
  2. Eddie501

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    Curious then why you are on a forum dedicated to discussing TV, in a thread about TV shows?
     
  3. TomCat

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    Maybe a more effective way to end the problem is to block trolls.
     
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  4. phrelin

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    And so from Comic-Con we are told that Gene Roddenberry had "an optimistic vision of the future compared to the unrest and negativity we’re living through today." Except his vision was to be set on board a large interstellar spaceship in the 23rd century. The show ran from 1967-69 in the middle of unrest and negativity he and I were living through then. How the heck did the promotion of "Star Trek: Discovery" get dragged into the nutty current times. Sometimes people drive me nuts.

    Anyway, what else we are told about the CBS All Access show is it “won’t be episodic” but rather will tell stories like a novel. That means to me it won't be like most of the episodes of most of the previous Star Trek TV franchises where there is a continuing story arc, but each episode has its own complete, satisfying story arc frequently associated with a character ongoing story arc. The reason for this is apparently streaming allows a different way to present stories on television:

    Anyway, we are reminded:

    [​IMG] I was kinda looking forward to this show....
     
  5. TomCat

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    Was?

    I find it better to ignore the pre-hype completely. Then there is less chance of expectations being dashed, or raised too high. Roll the dice; watch for yourself, instead.

    Not really an issue with this show, but I am curious why the Sulu movie kiss was cut. What passes for journalism only implies it is a sensitivity issue, or a political correctness issue, because they are basically all click bait whores now. Bloggers living in Mom's basement. My best guess would be the scene didn't work well, so they edited it out for that simple, creative reason. Still like to know (better to ignore the pre-hype doesn't mean I am always able to comply) :sure:
     
  6. fireponcoal

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    Thank god for broadcast the net and plex.


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  7. Stewart Vernon

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    I'll watch the pilot on CBS... then probably not be able to watch the rest of the series for years... I don't have Netflix or Amazon Prime, and I'm not looking to sign up for CBS All-Access for this show... and I don't want every other network to start their own similar streaming with exclusive content "channels..." Beware people... this is what your "a la carte" and streaming is likely to lead to... fragmentation.

    For what it's worth, the non-episodic nature sounds more like the original Star Trek. While a few episodes built on something that came before, largely original Star Trek was not episodic and you don't really have to watch them in any particular order, with a few exceptions.
     
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  8. James Long

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    The only positive I see in the new series is that it is in the "prime" timeline (not the current alternate timeline of the movies) and features a different ship. It does not appear that they will be taking the characters that I know and cared about from the 60's and "re-imagine" them. I hate character changing re-hashes.

    Star Trek: Discovery seems to be more of a Voyager or Deep Space 9 story ... another mission, not the Enterprise. It has not been revealed where in the "prime" timeline the stories will be placed. I hope it will not overlap or affect the rest of the canon of the "prime" timeline. But if I don't watch it when and where it is set and the characters it includes are irrelevant ... I'll just consider it another novel or cartoon or other "not quite Star Trek" story.
     
  9. MysteryMan

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    Take a look at Star Trek Axanar (axanarproductions.com). It takes place prior to TOS and is focused on Captain Kelvar Garth of Izar.
     
  10. phrelin

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    As it stands right now, CBS is choosing its own path. NBC, ABC, and Fox to one degree or another rely upon a combination of Hulu and their own sites. Ignoring movies, for TV Netflix is Netflix. just as Acorn TV is Acorn TV, both giving you access to a lot of content you can't get elsewhere. Amazon Prime really is a wholly different retailer package that offers some exclusive content.

    CBS All Access gives you lives streaming access to your local TV channel as well as all network shows on-demand streaming. I think it's an interesting approach that deserves consideration. It means you still have access to live local news from a broadcast channel meaning it is an "out" to avoid buying a package when you "cut the cord" if you can't get OTA or don't want an antenna.
     
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  12. TomCat

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    I think FOX is starting to stream its stations live. Couple of them, so far.

    It seems that CBS/CW (same top management) are the only big nets not providing recent shows on their free streaming sites; these are the only two that don't seem to be there for free (if built-in non-skip commercials is considered 'free') on AppleTV. Most cable nets seem to offer this.

    So, CBS/CW is an outlier. It will be interesting to see which approach is most successful.

    I have lots of opinions (as you may know). One is that ST would be best served by being as unshackled from its own legacy as is possible. The less it resembles what has gone before and the characters that have gone before, the more the door is open for creativity. So that is the approach I would like to see them take.

    Either way, it still takes talented writers and actors.

    I am not watching the movies. The first JJ Abrams one was very disappointing to me for two reasons. First, it seemed to be 'Transformers In Space' rather than ST. Second, I just can't get my head around Chris Pine as Kirk. He's a fine actor, probably, but maybe not much more than just a haircut. Doesn't exactly blow my skirt up. He's a Janeway, or an Archer, and hardly in the league of a Picard, or a Sisko, or a Kirk. The others are terrific, but I feel Kirk is woefully miscast here. I could name thirty other actors I would have rather seen take that role.

    I'll go back and watch TNG or DS9 from beginning to end before I will suffer through 'Transformers In Space' again.
     
  13. Stewart Vernon

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    But at the cost... if NBC, ABC, and FOX see that CBS has a "good idea" and they do it too... you could be looking at upwards of $30+ to just get your basic broadcast network shows one day via this model and no way to get bundle discounts because each one is direct-from-the-manufacturer purchased! So, people who freak out now about cable/satellite increases haven't seen anything yet IF this kind of fragmentation to the distribution system happens. For as evil as people want to make Dish, DirecTV, Time-Warner, etc... there's no doubt in my mind that IF we continue to evolve in the way some seem to want, we will LONG for the days of pay-tv that we have now.
     
  14. phrelin

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    Well not exactly. The way things have evolved so far regarding ordinary TV programming I could easily live with just having:
    • my CBS local with streaming (if they ever go to no ads),
    • Hulu with no ads for the other broadcast net shows,
    • Acorn TV, and
    • Amazon Prime (which for us is just a bonus with free shipping)
    • Netflix and the "cable premiums" which are there to subscribe to as options.
    But that's us, not everyone else. i do understand what you are saying.

    That's why it was so great to see Dish introduce the Flex Pack without the expensive ESPN/Disney channels and with expensive locals being an optional add on so OTA is a choice for those who can get it and want to avoid that cost. Plus there are additional add ons that people might want.

    What's happened is things have evolved to the point that the number of options out there is almost mind-boggling if you have high speed internet, which in my case I'd have even if no one had developed streaming TV. But even if you don't have access to high speed internet, the Flex Pack type system reflects the change in budget options for your home entertainment and that was forced because of the streaming options.
     
  15. Stewart Vernon

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    Well, yeah... if you literally only watch a handful of channels that's fine... but... remember too... outside of their own original content, Hulu, Amazon Prime, Netflix and others depend on all those other networks creating content that they make profit on before allowing those companies to stream the episodes later for additional revenue. IF the network doesn't get its money for original airings, they will start to ask Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc for more money... and either that content goes away OR the prices to those services go up too.

    People have been griping about the $2 Netflix price increase lately... "grandfathered" folk who just now are seeing this price increase. It's $2 increase on a $10 service... that's a huge price increase relative to total cost... over what $2 added to the average Dish or DirecTV bill would be... so, when the prices go up at these streaming services, they (for the moment anyway) tend to be much higher proportionally.

    And then, of course, for anyone who watches a lot of different channels... there is nothing beating the cable/satellite price model right now.
     
  16. phrelin

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    IMHO the Netflix price increase is to support their original content which is worth it. The way I view Netflix is I pay $6 for all those old movies and TV shows that I'd like to watch for nostalgic reasons but don't have time for. The balance is for original content or some recent TV shows I missed. But for me, Netflix (and Amazon Prime) is a premium channel like HBO, Showtime, Starz, etc.

    Hulu is a whole different story. It's a joint venture of The Walt Disney Company, 21st Century Fox, and Comcast through their Disney-ABC Television Group, Fox Broadcasting Company, and NBCUniversal Television Group divisions. It is part of the measured viewing revenue system for shows from the broadcast and cable channels, of interest here include ABC, Fox, and NBC. My prepaid eyes on an NBC show episode on Hulu a couple of days after it airs are worth more to NBC than my eyes on that episode watched on my Hopper with AutoHop skipping commercials.

    So in terms of the broadcast nets if one subscribes to a no commercials version of Hulu (available now) and CBS All Access (not available yet), and both give you extra original programming, it seems like a potential win for everyone because there will still be many, many OTA viewers and cable/satellite subscribers.

    I already subscribe to Hulu for original content. If and when a commercial free CBS All Access subscription becomes available, then I will subscribe to it and drop my Locals Pack Add-on.

    In any event, May 2017 has been my planned cut-the-cord target. If it wasn't for the fact that the redwoods have grown to the point when the wind blows the signal drops, the Flex Pack pricing might have kept me in the Dish fold with Acorn TV and Amazon Prime (because we're Prime customers anyway) and then simply rotating subscriptions between Hulu, Netflix, and CBS All Access for access to original programming.

    IMHO the past ten years have been an intriguing time in home entertainment options which, contrary to what I thought back in 2007, has greatly expanded the number scripted TV shows available to most home viewers while providing them cost control options. It appears to me that the TV industry has adapted. But I am acutely aware of the fact that the adaptation has included more content produced outside the U.S. affecting employment of U.S. workers.
     
  17. TomCat

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    You may have hit on something. When the Betamax and DVD releases of movies happened, that was the start of the gravy train. I would hate to think how much money the big nets would like to think that I owe them for skipping a million or two commercials in the last 40 years.

    It became known as 'free TV', except that it wasn't if you suffered through the commercials. (I did not).

    But it was quite evident, the handwriting was on the wall decades ago, that content would eventually all be delivered as PPV, with payment due in other ways than by suffering the commercials.

    Well, that day is quickly approaching. My gravy train will be grinding to a halt, someday soon, I fear. C'est la vie.

    We'll have to depend on the marketplace working, supply and demand favoring us, to get a decent deal, because they all want all of our money, and will stop at nothing to pick our pockets.

    Nothing new there. The big nets didn't want to give us TV shows. They didn't really even want us to watch the dumb commercials. The only one and single thing they ever wanted, was for someone to buy the ad time from them. Period. Instead of 'What's in your wallet?' it was 'Open your wallet, Capital One'.

    Well, their house-of-cards captive-audience strategy is still crumbling, as it was in 1977 when I got the Betamax. Not much left, now. Shards. Rubble.

    As I still tell my colleagues, 'the only reason we are even here is to give them something to separate the commercial breaks from each other'. They never have much of a comeback for that one.

    And I will not miss commercials. The ones I can't skip, or suffer through the first 5 seconds of scrambling for the remote, are still JUST AWFUL. I do not understand why every action movie commercial seems to need a soundtrack full of annoying tympani and tom toms.

    DUM dum dum dum DUM dada dum dum DUMB, DUMB, DUMB! Give us an f'ing break from that stupidity, please, it's never going to persuade me to go see your stupid movie. Probably make me stay away, actually. Lame. Capital L. C'est la mort.

    But it is not a matter of 'IF', it's a matter of 'WHEN'. The new, non-gravy train is pulling out of the station, and neither you nor I have the power to stop it.
     
  18. Stewart Vernon

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    The other thing... IF we go too far down the road, and the PPV-a la carte streaming model becomes the thing... Even when that collapses because people just will not be able to pay enough to make it work on a one-to-one basis... it will be hard to turn back to what we have now.

    It's like... all the people who used to love Amazon and post messages hoping their local brick & mortar stores would close... and those have been closing... they see Amazon taking advantage of being a bigger fish in a now smaller pond... but it's not so easy to just re-open all those chain stores that went out of business IF the Amazon model becomes not to your liking one day. You'll have to just sit and wait for the next revolution, and hope it is better, and that you live to see it!

    I think... as an example... fans of the old radio serial. TV killed those... but in the mid 1990s when MP3s started to become a thing... before they were commercially viable... just an unintended consequence of MPEG for movies... and then the iPod and other MP3 players started making it possible to carry lots of audio around... I started talking to older people at work and telling them that it seemed to me, the time was right for a resurgence of the old radio serial, only in MP3 form.

    I didn't know then, but learned a few years later, that a company like Big Finish was doing this on CD in the form of full-cast audio plays... they are still going strong to this day, and they offer downloads as well as CDs for most products... like their famous Doctor Who among others... and it still makes me think how it might be possible this could be a thing with ALL the other properties studios own here in the US, to make new audio stories... hiring good actors and saving all the video F/X budgets to product top-notch audio adventures for a new wave of fans.

    And some old fans of the radio serial days might still be alive to see this coming... but look how long it took to come back around! I hope TV delivery doesn't go south in a way that it will be missed for a generation before it can make a comeback again!
     
  19. SamC

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    The CBS price point is just unrealistic. $6/month for shows that are on "free" TV (but not most sports) some out of syndication worn out reruns, and Star Trek. Just unrealistic.

    CBS is banking on the cult following of ST. Fact is the last TV series was cancelled and the current (pretty awful) movie series is going down the typical diminishing returns sequal business model that is modern Hollywood.

    But I think the main point is made up thread when it was pointed out that the ST fanbase skews heavily towards that who won't have to pay the $6. Yep. The technology to actually make things on the internet live behind unbreakable paywalls just does not exist. Every episode will be available, free, on 1000 sites, within hours of being shown.
     
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