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New Strategy to defeat $5 "no phone line" fee......

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by John Ashman, Feb 2, 2006.

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  1. Feb 4, 2006 #81 of 141
    jrb531

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    So you have DSL but not the voice service? Sorry but I don't buy that. Sounds more like you are trying to pull something. Now if this is true or false I do not know but the "perception" is that something is funny here.

    Usually you are whacked with a large extra fee if you do not have at least basic land service with your DSL. The reason DSL is "cheap" is because they piggyback onto your existing voice line. Without voice you either cannot get DSL or you pay through the nose... so much in fact that you might as well have basic landline.

    So many people are trying to scam with 4 boxes shared between multiple houses that I do not blame Dish for trying to combat the cheaters.

    Keep in mind... I'm not accusing you of anything - just explaining that it sounds a bit fishy.

    -JB
     
  2. Feb 4, 2006 #82 of 141
    jrb531

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    How do you suggest they stop the rampant cheating people are doing by placing boxes at multiple locations.

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    4 families each have 1 box and split the everything cost

    Sure I dont want to hook up to a phone but I understand the problem.

    -JB
     
  3. Feb 4, 2006 #83 of 141
    James Long

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    It is possible.
     
  4. Feb 4, 2006 #84 of 141
    Geronimo

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    It is possible. People have quoted prices elsewhere in the thread. I mentioned my own experience with DSL without voice service. Mr. Long is as imperfect as the rest of us but I sincerely doubt he would procure DSL illegally.
     
  5. Feb 4, 2006 #85 of 141
    James Long

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    Nobody said I did and I hope that you're not saying it now.
     
  6. Feb 4, 2006 #86 of 141
    greatwhitenorth

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    Ok, I can tell no one here has worked in a call center. I used to work in a banking call center, and I can tell you that after the 4th or 5th time the same caller calls with the same complaint, the word would get around. After that he would be greeted with "Sir, I see we've discussed this with you before, have a good day." And any one who endorses this harrassment (let's not quibble, that is the intent here) of people who are just trying to do their jobs to the best of their ability and earn a paycheck has serious ethical challenges. That's a human being on the other end of that phone line you know.
     
  7. Feb 4, 2006 #87 of 141
    harsh

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    Having a phone line connected is also required for many interactive functions like:

    o paying your bill
    o viewing your statement
    o viewing updates
    o adding channels or services
    o shopping via remote

    If only we all knew everything...
    The phone line policy applies to all receivers. If there is any crime, it is that the two satellite tuner receivers that have only a single output are charged double (unless you count PiP as being worth $5/month). Perhaps they look at it as an "ability to subsidize" fee.
     
  8. Feb 4, 2006 #88 of 141
    nitz369

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    I am really getting tired of reading threads from all of your Conspiracy Theorists out there!

    Lay off Dish!

    My area I can get Comcast, and DirectTV, neither one comes close to Dish prices and features!!

    Here is the bottom line, you don't like the fees LEAVE!!!!

    I don't see you leaving so quit your complaining and deal with it! Not everyone in this world needs to accomodate your EVERY need and want!
     
  9. Feb 4, 2006 #89 of 141
    nitz369

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    Lets look at what Dish does offer!

    One of the only companies out there that offers Dual Tuner Receivers, that actually save you $5/month vs. the other guys!!!!!

    What an interesting deal, Dish will save you $5/month if you choose to plug a phone line, if not, then you pay as if you have 2 receivers just like the rest of guys!

    Once again I say:

    IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE POLICIES THAT ARE PUT IN PLACE THAT COULD SAVE YOU MONEY! THEN LEAVE!
     
  10. Feb 4, 2006 #90 of 141
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    I join you in not having a standard phone line at our house. Comcast delivers high-speed Internet and DISH delivers the TV. For talking with people, we have cell phones. And I haven't decided if I want to leave my tried and somewhat trusted 921 for a 622. Always like to see where I'm leaping!

    Charlie himself has said, on camera, that he has a vision of a wireless universe. I was the person who asked the question of him. But his 21st century technology remains tied to 20th century wires. Ironic isn't it?

    That said, how much is your time worth? Do you really want to commit half an hour a day of YOUR time? I sure as heck can't afford to do that, it's far too expensive.

    In my case, DISH will lose the extra revenue from me not upgrading.

    If enough people communicate politely and effectively, they'll get the message. They're not stupid, just behind the times a bit. Like I said, 21st century technolgy tied to a telephone wire, which is so 20th century.

    Perhaps you could switch to DirecTV or cable, and spend that extra half an hour a day enjoying television. Isn't that what it's all about? And if Direct or cable can't offer you a better situation, that's the way it goes.
     
  11. Feb 4, 2006 #91 of 141
    Alpaca Bill

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    D* actually only charges you $5/mo for the DVR per ACCOUNT NOT per RECEIVER. SO with 4 dual tuner DVRs with D* you pay $5/mo with E* you pay $20/mo. Then let's look at the no phone line fee. D* doesn't have it while Dish does so IF you do not have land lines you would be paying another $20/mo. So when all said D* costs you $5/mo while E* has the potential of charging you $40/mo just in DVR fees. Addt'l outlet fees are similar with both so that is a wash for SD receivers but now E* will be getting an extra $1/mo per HD receiver. IT KEEPS ADDING UP.

    Like it has been said in alot of other threads. Charlie used to brag about how they did not have all the fees that cable did. It was their advertising motto for a long time but now Dish is just as bad if not worse than cable.
     
  12. Feb 4, 2006 #92 of 141
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    It certainly sounded like the previous poster was saying that. as for what I was saying it was pretty clearly the opposite.
     
  13. Feb 4, 2006 #93 of 141
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    Hey bud you need to read my post again. All I said was their policy is keeping me from buying a 2 tuner receiver. I also expressed some thoughts about the need to even have a phone line hooked at all times.

    As to my "move" I moved way back when locals were not offered in my area and my home tv stations woud not grant me a waiver. I pay a handsom fee to have my LiL's and the 4 sets of distants that I subsribe to. I choose not to hook up my phone line so dish will not know I moved. They would like to keep it that way. If they actively persued us movers they wold lose a lot of revenue. I belive they use a don't ask don't tell poliy in regards to movers beause of the money they make.

    THE MAIN PURPOSE OF AUDITS IS TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM STACKING RECEIVERS.

    They are after people who add an extra receiver to their account and then set that reeiver up at another location like a relatives house. There by CHEATING E* out of $$$.

    I on the other hand am cheating no one but my local stations who decided to be dicks and not grant me waivers.

    So put that in your pipe and smoke it, and get holier than thou on some one else.
     
  14. Feb 4, 2006 #94 of 141
    harsh

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    Lets!

    1. DirecTV makes sports subscriptions available to only one receiver if there is no phone connection. If there is a phone line and all receivers check in, then they will all receive the sports subscription.

    2. Customers who desire a DVR may be denied the upgrade if their receiver isn't plugged into a phone line.

    3. Free or discounted receiver offers include "Land-based phone line connection required" in their terms and conditions.

    According to the Terms and Conditions on the DirecTV website, there is no such thing as a DVR or free receiver that isn't connected to a "Land-based phone line connection". They probably overlook this, but that is "the letter of the law" at DirecTV.
     
  15. Feb 4, 2006 #95 of 141
    Paul Secic

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    Congress just passed this in December.
     
  16. Feb 4, 2006 #96 of 141
    Stewart Vernon

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    But that wouldn't tell Dish where the receivers are would it? It would tell them where the LNB is.

    There wouldn't be any guarantee of the receivers being where they are supposed to be unless the tracking was at the receiver level, right?
     
  17. Feb 4, 2006 #97 of 141
    Stewart Vernon

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    So you're cheating, and you admit it... and you don't want to connect a phone line and get caught. You lose the right to complain.

    There has been a popular feeling that some of the audit team's work has been to find people who are saying their receivers are in one place but are actually in another in order to get other locals, which puts Dish in a position of some FCC violations... so they are trying to clean that up as well as the account stackers and the PPV viewers.

    I never said I was "holy"... but I didn't post a message saying how I wasn't hooking my receiver to a phone line because I didn't want to get caught in a lie to Dish like you did. Hard to support your side when you admit to cheating the system.
     
  18. Feb 4, 2006 #98 of 141
    StarTech

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    The 5 buck fee does seem unfair.

    I wonder will the ethernet connections on 211 or 411's be a solution?
     
  19. Feb 4, 2006 #99 of 141
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    Bad news! Dish then should not allow the recv. to do any PPV activity until a valid phone is connected.
    The whole mess goes away with a little built in fore-thought.....what do you think James?
     
  20. Feb 4, 2006 #100 of 141
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    Hello McFly E* makes a lot of money from movers. They by law have to appear to be doing something about it. They are going after people who have receivers from one account in more than one building. Lets say I have to call the audit team. I have all my receivers in the same building. I read the reqired info from my 4 receivers. and I pass the audit. So your argument does not hold water.

    I am not complaing either. Like I said re read my post you dolt. All I said was that the phone line requirement is what is keeping from upgrading to a 2 tuner receiver. That is it. I do not consider that a complaint.

    BTW people who use phrases like "So you're cheating, and you admit it... and you don't want to connect a phone line and get caught. You lose the right to complain."

    Are by default acting like they are holier than thou.

    And please Mr. man who am I cheating???? You are so caught up on the word. Also what law am I breaking? You point out the statute that says I can not move to receive locals from out of state. The law says that E* can not knowingly sell me out of market locals. Which is why I do not hook up my phone line. I do not want to lose my distant nets. And I also do not want E* to get in trouble with the law.

    You seem to have a lot of Anger pent up there buddy boy. Maybe you need some Xanax or something.
     
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