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New Wish List Request: Optional Immediate Update to Scheduler for New Series Links

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Drew2k, Feb 16, 2008.

Would you like to see this request on the Wish List Survey?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    59 vote(s)
    88.1%
  3. Don't care / Doesn't matter to me

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  1. Steve

    Steve Well-Known Member

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    "did" is the operative word here. :) The HR10 6.x database revamp effectively solved the "hourglass" problem. IMO, If TiVo could do it on a box with fewer CPU cycles and less RAM, DirecTV should be able to do it as well.

    Just my .02. /steve
     
  2. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

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    Yes that is the point. If I could update my SLs and ARSLs within 5 seconds I would acceptt that, but as I'm not having any issues I would not want the delay to be longer than that.
     
  3. Steve

    Steve Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps you just haven't been burned yet by an unanticpated conflict. :) Unfortunately, it's happened to me several times in the past year, especially with higher priority shows that end at :01 and tie up one recording slot in the next hour. This forces me to check my TODO list daily (when I remember to do so), something I never had to do on the HR10 because I could see the conflicts right away. /steve
     
  4. gcisko

    gcisko I am Iron Man!

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    OK well here you go! What I would like to see them do, is record what it can of the second program (after the one minute conflict) instead of canceling it altogether.
     
  5. Steve

    Steve Well-Known Member

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    Well in truth, even with the update, it still took about 15 seconds to rebuild my HR10 TODO list with my 35+ Season's Passes. I still think that wait was much more efficient than having to repeatedly check the TODO list day's afterwards. /steve
     
  6. Steve

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    "When a scheduled recording's end time will conflict with scheduled recordings in the next time slot, do not cancel any recordings. Record one as a 'partial'."

    This has been on our Wish List for a while, but absent this capability, the only recourse we have now is to scan TODO or the GUIDE for conflicts.

    /steve
     
  7. Capt'n

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    That would be nice also. Missing one minute is way better than missing the whole show.

    I still think they could add a simple button to manually do an update. I don't think anyone would complain about that. Well...I guess people would probably find something to complain about. Like how long it takes once you do push the button, lol
     
  8. TigerDriver

    TigerDriver Electronics Engineer

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    <rant>
    If D* would just fix the underlying algorithm, this and similar issues would just go away. Considering the miniscule amount of data involved, it is incomprehensible why the To Do and the Guide databases can't be reconciled in milliseconds. Conflicts can be resolved at that point--either by rules established by the user (e.g., end first program early/start second one late), or by direct user involvement.

    Once conflicts are reconciled and the To Do list is built:

    (1) Subsequent manual changes in the To Do list force user-involved reconciliation again.

    (2) Subsequent arrival of new or updated Guide data updates the Guide database, and triggers a background task that prowls the databases looking for incurred changes, making rule-based updates, and sending you notification (SMTP client, anyone?) of conflicts and how they have been resolved.

    Sound tough? Here's a suggestion: read Donald Knuth's The Art of Computer Programming(1962!), Chapter 3: Sorting and Searching.

    </rant>
     
  9. Steve

    Steve Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, while a long-standing Wish List request, "negative" padding as you describe above is not currently an option. The only recourse is to replace a particular episode with a "manual" recording. I don't believe the HR10 offers negative padding either, so there may be some basic underlying reason why this is not practicable... or it could just be an oversight by both companies. :) /steve
     
  10. gcisko

    gcisko I am Iron Man!

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    I just voted for "Don't care". It is not my place to tell people they cannot have something they see as important.
     
  11. Steve

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    I added the following item to the Wish List today,along with a couple of others:

    "UPDATE NOW" option to immediately populate the TO DO LIST with all matching programs in the GUIDE, after scheduling a SL, AUTORECORD, or re-ordering the PRIORITIZER.


    /steve
     
  12. Capt'n

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    Another thing they could add in addition to the manual update is an "Alert Balloon" that will alert you to pending conflicts. That way you don't have to remember to go look every day. It would just tell you next time you watch TV when not using the manual update.
     
  13. Steve

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    Actually, this Wish List request is intended to address this as well:
    • "Deliver time-sensitive HR2x notifications via email to a user-specified address."

      The INFO balloon for this request reads: Examples of notification include: recording conflicts, reboot alerts, software upgrades, capacity-overrun/auto-delete warnings, etc.
    /steve
     
  14. Capt'n

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    Via email would be a nice secondary notification. But is that in addition to an on-screen notification? I think an on-screen notification would come in handy more than an email.
     
  15. Steve

    Steve Well-Known Member

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    Ya. You're right. I'm going to restore the original "Calls and Messages" alert as an option for those without network-connected HR2x's. The revised request will read:

    • "Deliver time-sensitive HR2x notifications via "Messages" or email to a user-specified address."

      The INFO balloon for this request reads: Examples of notification include: recording conflicts, reboot alerts, software upgrades, capacity-overrun/auto-delete warnings, new channels, etc.
    /steve
     
  16. Maverickster

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    Yeah, I have to agree here that adding new SLs should not take that long to figure out the conflicts, move lower priority recordings around to other showings of the same episode and what not. If it would take minutes rather than seconds, I agree also that this should be a toggle option (update now or something like that). THIS IS PARTICULARLY TRUE SINCE WE ARE ARTIFICIALLY LIMITED TO 50 SLs, so the complexity is even lower.

    This is one of the things I miss about my TiVo. Granted, it took FOREVER to add a Season Pass, but when I did, it did the analysis, told me what was going to get conflicted out, and then asked me what I wanted to do. In terms of competently organizing a lengthy Prioritizer list, this information is invaluable.

    --Mav
     
  17. Sirshagg

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    I could get behind this:

    OPTION to immediately populate the TO DO LIST with all matching programs in the GUIDE for the next 24-48 hours, after scheduling a SL or AUTORECORD.

    I don't really see the need to go through the entire 2 weeks of guide data immediately. For me, all that's really needed is enough to make sure no shows that should be included in the season pass are missed before the normal scheduler process would catch them.
     
  18. glennb

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    I voted - Don't care.

    I've never seen a reason to get all worked up over this.
     
  19. Steve

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    Modifying the request as you suggest would still require folks to constantly check the TODO list day's afterwards to be sure there are no unexpected conflicts. It also would not allow you to see the effect of changes you made to the PRIORITZER. /steve
     
  20. Steve

    Steve Well-Known Member

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    It's proposed as an OPTION for those who have been burnt by unexpected CONFLICTS. Apparently, you're not one of them. :) /steve
     
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