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Next NFL Sunday Ticket Contract

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Proc, Jan 12, 2009.

  1. Jan 12, 2009 #21 of 122

    lwilli201 Hall Of Fame

    Dec 22, 2006
    Totally agree. Another thing is that Directv pays the NFL a set amount for the privilege. Directv could lose their shirts if they do not get enough subs to pay the NFL. This coming year will show how well SF will fair. The cable companies will want a per subscriber deal and I do not think that the NFL will go for that. The way it is now, the NFL maximizes the revenue they get without the troubles with local station exclusivity.
  2. Jan 12, 2009 #22 of 122

    DCSholtis Up The Irons!

    Aug 7, 2002
    +1. I do hope D* retains its exclusivity with ST.
  3. Jan 12, 2009 #23 of 122

    Araxen Icon

    Dec 18, 2005
    Whatever drives the price of ST down I'm all for. I hope it gets opened up to all the cable carriers. I'm sick of seeing it go up $20 every year.
  4. Jan 12, 2009 #24 of 122

    bnwrx Icon

    Dec 29, 2007
    I too canceled, but then resigned when they offered a better deal. My bottom line price $129. thats $249 for ST, $10 a month credit for 12 months and they thru in SF for free. I read on these forums this was a common deal, so your $500 a season statement is a bit high.
  5. Jan 12, 2009 #25 of 122

    evan_s Hall Of Fame

    Mar 3, 2008
    I think the NFL is happy with things the way they are and DirecTV likes it's sports so I don't see it changing. The NFL still seems to see the bulk of it's money from the TV airings coming from the major network contracts and I don't see that changing.

    I do believe that the NFL wants the Sunday ticket package to be available everywhere but i don't think they want it to be commonly available at the same time. This preserves their network contract value but does allow those who really want it to get sunday ticket and the sat companies provide this perfectly. If you accept that DirecTV seems like the only realistic candidate. One thing I think a lot of people are forgetting is the commercial side of things. I can't imagine how many pissed of people there would be if all of a sudden sports bars couldn't get the sunday ticket package because it was only available on Verizon or select cable companies.
  6. Jan 12, 2009 #26 of 122

    FLWingNut Godfather

    Nov 19, 2005
    Competition won't help. NHL CI, NBA LP are the same on all providers.
  7. Jan 12, 2009 #27 of 122

    RACJ2 Hall Of Fame

    Aug 2, 2008
    While the price may be the same across all providers for these packages, the price is much lower. For example, NHLCI with HD is only $169, which is much less then NFLST + HD at $348 or more. If NFLST was available thru more providers to more subscribers, the price probably would drop.
  8. Jan 12, 2009 #28 of 122

    bonscott87 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '07

    Jan 21, 2003
    No it wouldn't. MLB Extra Innings isn't all that much cheaper then Sunday Ticket and it's on all providers except Dish. It's failed thinking to think the price would go down if it's on all providers. They will all happily charge the same high price. At best it might cause a "freeze" in price for one year and then it would go back to $20 a year increase, just like all the other packages go up 10 to 20 bucks a year as well. NHL is so "cheap" because there are so few subscribers.
  9. Jan 12, 2009 #29 of 122

    rcoleman111 Guest

    Simply not true. This absurd claim has been debunked any number of times. There is not a shred of truth to it. The network packages have only gone steadily up in price in the years that Sunday Ticket has been available. It does not devalue the network contracts in any way, shape, or form.
  10. Jan 12, 2009 #30 of 122

    rcoleman111 Guest

    It is simply not true that MLB EI isn't all that much cheaper than Sunday Ticket. No matter how many times you come back and post this nonsense, it still won't be true. Extra Innings is significantly cheaper - about half of what Sunday Ticket costs. I debunked this baloney the last time you posted in and I'll be happy to debunk it again. If you want to make yourself believe the exclusive contract for Sunday Ticket doesn't make it more expensive, go right ahead. Most of us know better than that. What you're posting is same as it was the last time you posted it - a bunch of baloney.
  11. Jan 13, 2009 #31 of 122

    joed32 Hall Of Fame

    Jul 27, 2006
    They charge what the market will bear. NFL fans are willing to pay more for Sunday Ticket than MLB fans are willing to pay for EI. There are a lot more of them as well.
  12. Jan 13, 2009 #32 of 122

    joshjr Hall Of Fame

    Aug 2, 2008
    NE Oklahoma
    This article is very interesting. I understand why the NFL would do it this way and also remember, one reason cable also nevers gets the rights is that they dont want to have to carry NFL Network and its a package deal with Sunday Ticket. Here is a clip from the link above.

    The NFL has indicated that one reason they accepted DirecTV's bid was to limit the availability of the product so that the television networks and local stations would be protected.[citation needed] In particular, Sunday Ticket viewers do not count towards local Nielsen Ratings, thus offering Sunday Ticket on cable might cost CBS and FOX affiliates millions of dollars in lost revenue from local commercial breaks (as opposed to national ads sold by the networks).
  13. Jan 13, 2009 #33 of 122

    davidatl14 Icon

    Mar 24, 2006


    NFL ST is not devaluing to the OTA Network partners in it's current form on DirecTV and available to a small number of subs. Maybe I didn't make my point cogently.If that is your point then we both agree.

    If your point is that the OTA partners will still pony up increasing fees with ST available to the masses via cable then you couldn't be more wrong.

    What will devalue the OTA package is having the mainstream cablers having access.

    I've listened to the lame argument since the inception of ST that the cablers will have it and thus the NFL wants it's product everywhere.

    It hasn't happened yet and never will. Mainstrean cable will NEVER have access to NFL ST, except for the charade of bidding on the package.
  14. Jan 13, 2009 #34 of 122

    bonscott87 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '07

    Jan 21, 2003
    Dude. Last year Extra Innings was $199 (regular price). Sunday Ticket $279 (regular price). Not that huge of a diff. Sunday Ticket has what, quadruple the number of subs as Extra Inning in total including cable. Thus it's much more popular and thus they can charge more for it. Just like how Extra Innings is more expensive then League Pass for Center Ice, because it's more popular. ST and EI charge for HD because they can. LP And CI they can't because they aren't popular enough. It's a rather simple to understand pricing structure.

    If you live in a fantasy world where you think the price of ST will go *down* because all providers have it then that's a world that I want to live in. My prediction if everyone has ST is that prices may stay the same that first year, then will continue on up at $10 to $20 a year just like all the packages which are available on cable. Again, it's rather a simple concept.

    Personally I hope cable gets it along with DirecTV, only gives me more options should I choose to leave. But I just don't fool myself into thinking it would save me money.
  15. Jan 13, 2009 #35 of 122

    bonscott87 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '07

    Jan 21, 2003
    Tell that to the affiliates who were crying up a huge storm the last time cable had a shot at getting Sunday Ticket and continue to cry about ST eroding their ratings.
  16. Jan 13, 2009 #36 of 122

    dcowboy7 Hall Of Fame

    May 22, 2008
    Pequannock, NJ
    also when the next nfl cba is negotiated they might add 2 more games to make it an 18 game / 19 week season....thats 2 more weeks of football to add to the price as well.
  17. Jan 13, 2009 #37 of 122

    ricochet AllStar

    Aug 21, 2006
    Must be the same fantasy world where people think when providers stop making HD a line item charge that their bills will go down.

    The ST price could go up (maybe way up) if ST is offered everywhere. I think the NFL has an idea of how many subscribers it wants and if you open up the pool of potential subscribers the only way to keep it limited is to increase the price. At $500 DirecTV would certainly lose a bunch of subscribers but there are probably more enough new cable customers willing to pay that to make up the difference. To keep the subscriber number the same they might have to go even higher.
  18. Jan 13, 2009 #38 of 122

    rcoleman111 Guest

    The only one living in a fantasy world is you, dude, if you think you're not paying more for that exclusive contract. The early-bird price was $159 for EI on most cable systems last year, same as the year before. That's the price most subscribers are going to pay, not the list price. Add the $99 Superfan to the $279 subscription price for Sunday Ticket and it's roughly twice the price. That's twice the price for two packages that cost about the same a few years ago. And the price of EI certainly isn't going up by $20 a year like Sunday Ticket. These prices have been posted here before, but don't let the facts get in the way of what you really want to believe.

    You posted this same baloney a few months ago. When confronted with the facts, you ran off with your tail between your legs. So you wait a few months and come back and post the same nonsense all over again, as if nobody is going to remember. Baloney is baloney, and know that you will be called on it every single time.
  19. Jan 13, 2009 #39 of 122

    rcoleman111 Guest

    The affiliates don't pay for the NFL packages, the networks do. In the the years the Sunday Ticket package has been available, the network contracts have only gone up in price, not down. That certainly doesn't jibe with the theory that Sunday Ticket reduces the value of network contracts. But again, don't let facts stand in your way.
  20. Jan 13, 2009 #40 of 122

    rcoleman111 Guest

    And again, simply not true. The NFL's purpose in offering the package is to make as money from it as possible, which means having as many subscribers paying for it as possible. And if you want proof of that, simply look at the DirecTV contract for 2003-2007. It called for the deal to go non-exclusive after the 2005 season. There is only reason the NFL would negotiate that deal - they wanted the deal to go non-exclusive so they could sell it to cable as well as satellite. The only reason it stayed exclusive is that DirecTV offer to nearly double the rights fee to keep it exclusive. Who do you think is paying for that?

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