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NFL Network moved from AT100 to AT200 - (was ... moving?)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by tsmacro, Feb 18, 2008.

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  1. Feb 28, 2008 #81 of 163
    conecaster

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    Thank you, such cynical perceptions are exactly what Dish deserves.

    From what I gather there are 4 million subs involved in this, but I was not a sub, I was a mark, I have no doubt if I took what i have to court there fine print would be thrown out, why? because the contract I have lists no inclusions, it does not state anything concerning what they are offering me, at thatr point it becommes there word against mine, WHat programing package did you offer Sir, we offered the at100, where does it say that? Uh.....Well you see sir we did that verbally over the phone.

    My phone records show that they where still selling me this crock a day after the nfl was removed from the at100, this is where thety would really get reemed. I called "all american dish" the sub that cold called, I spoke to a woman about my problem, she was confused, then looked at their offerings and said " but the NFL is still part of the at100".

    It is clear to me that the sales sub had no idea they where screwing me.

    This is simple phone fraud.

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  2. Feb 28, 2008 #82 of 163
    conecaster

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    yeah I know, you can go out and install a system based on lies then change the terms and claim the customer is liable. They offered this to me on the 19th according to my phone records. I called All American Dish yesterday, their sales Sub, The woman did not understand my problem, BUT SIR, NFL IS INCLUDED IN THE AT100. They are still making false claims. I honestly believe Dish never told them of the change far enough in advance to properly present the package.
     
  3. Feb 28, 2008 #83 of 163
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    After reviewing my options I have decided to cancel Direct TV and use the 3 free months, then pay for three months of the this crock, I will cancel DISH at the end of Aug. pay the 13.33 cancellation cost for the remained of the term. Then see what Direct offers me for service. I might get 3 months to sign with them. So, I get 6 months service and pay about $150 in cancellation fees. Its a cheap way out.

    Its a crooked racket but I Might be able to come out OK, BTW, the cost and quality of inclusions in this AT100 is no where near as good as Directs 150 package at comparable cost. DISH is going to lose in this. they are pissing off millions of subscribers and if they are making this decision based on one NFL game this was not exclusive,. then I guess what goes around comes around, The NFL stood to piss off many more millions by refusing to let the broadcasters carry the perfect season game which could have expanded these conflicts further. 70 cents might be high, but other channels aren't subjected to arbitrators telling them to pay tens of millions to employees.

    I can't stand this Company and advise that no one ever get involved with them.
     
  4. Feb 28, 2008 #84 of 163
    James Long

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    So you bought through a reseller who had not updated their information?
    It seems that your beef is with the reseller, not Dish Network.

    BTW: AT100 is intended to be an entry level package. DirecTV's lowest regular package "Choice" is comparable to AT200, not AT100. Trying to compare AT100 with anything DirectTV offers is risky. It is supposed to be a basic no frills package! Complaining that it doesn't have frills is a bit silly.
     
  5. Feb 28, 2008 #85 of 163
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    I think after reading your posts, most people would be pretty wary to take your "advice".
    Dish has 14 million customers, are you saying that all 14 million of them are idiots for being customers of Dish? A lot of those customers have been for mulitiple years?
     
  6. Feb 28, 2008 #86 of 163
    Paul Secic

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    Well I guess I assumed too much. To me multi-year means five years.
     
  7. Feb 28, 2008 #87 of 163
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    Well I am an idot I have been with dish for 10 years. Mods how about a new forum on who is suing dish or a dish legal forum????
     
  8. Feb 28, 2008 #88 of 163
    phrelin

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    In this case, Dish has to get some sympathy. That game was one of the few chances they've had recently to build on the HD subscriber base. Instead, the NFL buckled - the same NFL that has refused to allow cable to put its channel in a second tier because it's worth so much to bring in subscribers.
     
  9. Feb 28, 2008 #89 of 163
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    I remember when the NFL agreed to spread that Patriots/Giants game around on all the other outlets. I thought at the time "Hey, isn't that supposed to be something of a DISH exclusive?" but I figured DISH didn't object. Now we know better. Maybe even back then DISH didn't make a fuss because they had something like this (moving the channel up in the tiers) in mind? I just can't see the NFL doing what they did if DISH was firmly objecting at the time.
     
  10. Feb 28, 2008 #90 of 163
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    Oh I can, the NFL is as crooked as they come. You can't even announce that you are having a super bowl party due to copyright restrictions. I love to see them losing some money. By the way though, I can't imagine anybody being mad they lost this channel at least until next August. :)
     
  11. Feb 29, 2008 #91 of 163
    phrelin

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    Members of Congress were threatening to hold hearings. It was up to the NFL, which has monopoly waivers from Congress, to hold out its Dish contract and say "NO" and let the monopoly waiver chips fall where they may. But then that might have screwed up the legal action between the NFL and Comcast which the NFL won. Apparently the same judge is going to look over this lawsuit and I have to wonder how he's going to square the NFL's action with the thought process in his last ruling.
     
  12. Feb 29, 2008 #92 of 163
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    You give me way to much credit, I'm saying I'm not an idiot.

    I could care less what they have done with others, and as for entry level, yada yada, go look at their web site, if I want AT100 they offer it as a standard package, It is NOT a teaser or a limited period offering as advertised, so in my case the point has no foundation.

    I canceled Direct yesterday to move forward with my plans to ditch DISH. Last night they called offering me the moon to come back. free hdvr with HD for two years. I can have NFL Net in their 150 channel choice plan for $35 for a year. they are throwing in everything else they can think of as well, to get me back!!! The hell with liars, and some company that builds you up to be their fan then tells you they aren't coming through as promised. No, I'm not an idiot.

    If anyone wants some Direct action, Direct is aware of the DISH retraction and are stepping up to bring you over. you can get NFL and a whole lot more for $35, about what the AT100 costs, yes its a year limit. but its still a great deal. Who knows what will be available in a year , the economy well be effecting the industry and they are going to be under assault from new providers like ATT here in my state whom will soon break our cable monopoly and provide internet, phone and TV in packages.

    I suggest to he who thinks I'm 'silly" to go out and buy a car, order it special with specific options, and when it arrives you notice that the stereo you ordered was there, the sun roof, the special wheels and suspension, But three days later you are showing it off to a mechanic you know and he points out that this is not the fuel injection they sold you. What are you saying, because he took delivery you have no recourse. That is what happened here. Hidden deception. My good will and good faith is violated by false words spoken in sincere tones, by a person who also believed he was being honest, I have little doubt.

    Someone presumes the reseller was notified by DISH. I do not presume any such thing, the fact is Dish was advertising the channel on their site with no mention of the fact it was being removed, so either way their site was involved in the deception and that was on or about 2/19.

    So, if they where honest with me or straight with the reseller, that would not have been the case, all marketing materials would have been replaced so the reseller was clear and the reference list would have been changed to avoid confusion. It is a simple mis-representation designed to lure a person into a bogus contract and it is chicken feed behavior.

    I plan to pack up their gear, drive it to there office here in town, and set it on the counter, I plan to give them one last shot to be honest, otherwise I will use the free months of savings by Direct and Dish to bail and at least come out even. then I'll have what I want and not be hearing about how poor DISH was abused by the NFL, there charges are to high and they violated there exclusive by showing the Giants-patriots game.

    I Hope the NFL beats the pants off these people in Texas. As much as I hate most of the owners I think they are on track with NFL net. Its a great way to include fans who will never buy a PSL or and over priced season ticket. If it was up to me I'd get rid of the forces that causes owners to pay up to 60 mil for an unproven rookie player. He's worth how much. I love Reggie Bush, but 50 mil??

    The idea that dish lost an opportunity to sell subscribers is silly in my opinion. The NFL was pissing off most of the country, all of my friends where saying screw them, and bvlaming the NFL.

    So, the NFL is not a normal channel. and the added value for the provider is there. The NFL just lost 4 million viewers. That's a serious loss, but They will get me back soon.

    Coneman
     
  13. Feb 29, 2008 #93 of 163
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    Thanks phrelin, I didn't know about those details. Amazing that some members of Congress were trying to interject themselves into the matter!
     
  14. Feb 29, 2008 #94 of 163
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    I got a deal for Dish,

    So the cost of the NFL net is 70 cents,

    How about charging me $2 a month for it and they make a profit of well over 100%.

    Now, is that good business.

    But, instead of doing this, all of these providers are forcing us to buy stuff we don't even need. So, the idea that Dish is being abused is crazy.

    I'd be happy if they made that offer to me.
     
  15. Feb 29, 2008 #95 of 163
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    What? You mean you're not glued to every minute of the NFL Scouting Combine like all the rest of us? <sarcasm>
     
  16. Feb 29, 2008 #96 of 163
    Paul Secic

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    All this nonsense because the Pats won 15 games.
     
  17. Feb 29, 2008 #97 of 163
    phrelin

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    Their constituents were upset. It's one thing if you are about to have your home foreclosed on, its another to have to miss an NFL game.:lol:
     
  18. Mar 1, 2008 #98 of 163
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    I got a flyer in a sales sheet yesterday that still showes NFL in AT 100
     
  19. Mar 1, 2008 #99 of 163
    James Long

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    A reseller who has not updated their sales material (check the callback number and the name of the company making the offer).

    However, the DishDVR Advantage flyer that DISH Network sent me with with my February (due March 12th) bill had NFL in AT 100 and NFL HD in AT100. :(

    They have to make these decisions EARLIER and make sure their printing is ahead of the changes!
     
  20. Mar 1, 2008 #100 of 163
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    Yes it was a reseller.
     
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