NFL Sunday Ticket 2023

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  1. dtv757

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    Do u have a link?

    This Twitter post says its staying ...



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  2. HGuardian

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    Pretty sure there's no new info on Sunday Ticket from 2023 forward. It's still DIRECTV only the next 2 seasons. After that is unknown, but the only thing everyone is pretty much is sure on is that DIRECTV will not have it as an exclusive offering.
     
  3. compnurd

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    That twitter post says nothing other then what is already known.. There would be no change since there is still a current contract in place and no one opted out
     
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  4. James Long

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    They probably wrote their story based on the initial stories that were in error. The exact future of NFL Sunday Ticket (beyond the next two years remaining exclusive on DIRECTV) is unknown at this time.

    Rephrasing a little: NFL Sunday Ticket allows fans to watch the team(s) of their choice instead of being restricted to teams chosen by local broadcasters for local markets. One should still be able to watch all of their local team's games via OTA TV (and cable/satellite system rebroadcasts of local stations). It is the people who choose to support a non-local team who will miss out if NFL Sunday Ticket is not continued in some form.
     
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  5. harsh

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    We got the message. You don't like your cable internet provider (that you erroneously equate to DOCSIS 3.x).

    Your dissatisfaction with your cable broadband provider has precious little to do with the disposition of NFLST in 2023.
     
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  6. harsh

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    Not a great job of summarizing. NFLST is uniquely for those who follow teams that don't claim to be "home teams" for them. The teams choose which games are available by claiming their respective home territories. The broadcasters can only choose between the "home teams" or the out-of-market games that their network offers by contract.
     
  7. HGuardian

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    They market it to those fans, but they don't need to market it to just the NFL fans who want to have access to every game. Daily fantasy football continues to grow, as does sports betting, and those people want to access to every game on Sundays.
     
  8. JoeTheDragon

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    The bars and sports books need all games on some TV system. And they should have to only deal with one system and not.
    Cable / sat (may need 8-16 boxes) + 2-4 steaming systems that may need (8-16 boxes) Just to get all games.
    And if you make it to hard then they will just cheat the system and try to use home accounts
     
  9. B. Shoe

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    This isn't entirely accurate. Individual CBS/FOX affiliates in a market get to provide input to the league on a hierarchy of what teams they would prefer to broadcast. For example, visit the 506sports.com market map and look at the immediate Dallas-Fort Worth market on a Sunday when Dallas is on a Sunday/Monday night game. They're not normally broadcasting Houston games during those early/late afternoon windows, it's another NFC East division team if they're playing. That's by design for Dallas fans to follow the division. For some markets that may sit between two franchises, they might prefer to air a team that may have a more successful season. It doesn't mean the league/network will always comply with their request, but this request process happens each season.

    A couple of additional general thoughts on some things, regarding the future of streaming and live sports after reading through this thread:
    • This narrative of rural areas and broadband doesn't have the legs that is used to. I live in a town of 600 people in a fairly rural part of Illinois. I have fiber service. Several small communities in this area have fiber. It's expanding to even more spaces in nearby counties that even five years ago, I wouldn't imagine anything more than cable service. I get that mileage varies based on where you live, but the expansion is happening into rural areas.
    • Part of the new NFL TV agreements leave the window open for Amazon Prime to exclusively broadcast a playoff game, if the Thursday Night series earns enough viewership. Those benchmarks haven't yet been disclosed. The people that make these types of agreements are pretty knowledgeable about what they do and the decisions they make. Some on this board may not want to see the future of streaming for what it is, and that's okay to have your opinion on it. But others out there definitely are.
     
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    I don't think anyone is against streaming games, or expanding it to more people. It's not just putting games on 3 different apps. It's having some games exclusively only on 3 apps (Prime, ESPN+, Peacock), and some only on cable channels (NFL Network). While this expands access to cord cutters slightly, it's only a few games a year.

    You see complaints all the time online from people saying they can't get DIRECTV or it's too expensive yet they want Sunday Ticket. I'd wager 90% of them wouldn't pay $300+ a season for Sunday Ticket if it was on every single cable service and available streaming. It's like the people who cut cable and now don't have their RSN who complain. Many of them have Netflix, HBO Max, Hulu, ESPN+ etc but they claim they can't afford an $80 month cable bill. People just want more stuff for cheaper, and they remembered the couple years where you could basically get all the content, including live sports, for a decent chunk less than cable. That's gone now.

    The immediate "future of streaming" for live sports is an expensive product (just like cable and satellite), still requires an expensive cable alternative service for NFL Network/ESPN exclusive broadcasts and local NBA/NHL/MLB games (like AT&T TV), and requires subscriptions to multiple different apps with clunky interfaces, signal drops and digitizing, and 60+ second plus delays.

    It's like if the original Star Wars trilogy only existed on Blu-Ray, and everyone complained to Disney they didn't have a Blu-Ray player so to appease them they released episode IV on VHS, V on DVD, and VI and Disney+.
     
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  11. Davenlr

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    As far as I am aware, your local team is still going to be free to watch...unless they play on Monday or Thursday. Its only us folks who grew up with one team and then moved and still want to follow that team that are having to fork over big bucks. When it passed $200, I stopped buying it. I suspect more and more people will just sub to Red Zone in the future.
     
  12. HGuardian

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    People are pirating games now more than ever with no RSN's on YouTube TV or Hulu. In the past when streaming apps for sports haven't worked properly on my phones I've found working illegal streams on Twitter in 30 seconds. They need to make games affordable and available to cut down on it, that's why Spotify is so successful and pirating music is basically gone.
     
  13. JoeTheDragon

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    All Local games (likely inner market only) will be on free tv by nfl contract.
    Now will this piss off some congressman / senator?? Maybe not for the NBA / NHL / MLB. But the NFL is an bigger deal.

    Say network neutrality laws has some exclusively bans slipped into in it? Rules says that they must offer the games / feeds / etc to cable or sat? (can be priced high so it's like CSN Philly?) (even if just an very basic app that can run on cable / sat boxes)
    Let's say apple ios / apple tv store says no to the amazon prime tv app having an buy NFL ticket add on with out them being forced to give apple 30% of that?

    And what if NFL teams push to market and sell there own games like the other pro sports?
     
  14. Davenlr

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    Lots of folks will be buying ROKU's
     
  15. James Long

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    Chances are commercial accounts will have better access than home accounts in 2023.

    Local teams (in TV market) will be on OTA TV regardless of their "exclusive" carriage on a streamer or cable channel. Free depends on if you pay for local TV.
     
  16. baws22489

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    The problem for me is this. I live in Southern Maryland and want to watch the Baltimore Ravens, instead of me watching the Maryland Team, I have to watch the WFT as DC locals are my locals. The other issue is I live in the country and don't have High Speed Internet, So I want DirecTV to keep the Sunday ticket as I don't have an option to stream. Not sure how many people there are like me out there?
     
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  17. HGuardian

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    If the out of market commercial packages includes the streaming "exclusive" games for the 4 majors getting a commercial account may be the way to go by then for live sports just simply for ease of use. Looking at the prices for "offices" it's not an obscene amount more than Directv. I'm sure they block out the ability to get movie channels, but Business Xtra Pack includes all the standard cable sports networks including in-market RSNs and locals is $75/month, NHL Center Ice is $240, Sunday Ticket is $460 (but free first year, like residential), don't see pricing on NBA/MLB. No idea on equipment like DVR's (is that even an option?) but it's not a lot worse than the residential pricing.
     
  18. JoeTheDragon

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    offices / hotels private view is not the same as bars public view
     
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  19. James Long

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    True, but I believe he is suggesting residential customers should get a commercial account if DIRECTV stops selling NFL ST to residential customers.
    One would need to get an account that was appropriate for their business. Public view vs private view does make a difference.
    (Different rates for a TV in the breakroom vs one in the waiting room, although small businesses get decent prices.)
    A commercial TV account for your private home office?

    We are a couple of years ahead of that problem ... if it ever comes to pass. Besides, the "stream only" games are not included in Sunday Ticket. Only the CBS and FOX broadcast games other than the games aired by local stations in each local market. NFL ST doesn't deliver Thursday Night, Sunday Night, Monday Night or any other games than the out of market CBS and FOX Sunday afternoon broadcasts.
     
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  20. JoeTheDragon

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    And then sports may be Public view only. Does your home office have an liquor license?
     

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