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NFL Sunday Ticket Superfan

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by jeffreydavisjr, May 22, 2008.

  1. Jun 5, 2008 #161 of 647
    cbearnm

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    Monday Night in SD. I was there. I grew up in Pgh and moved to NM (from Columbus OH) 9 years ago.

    I have made trips to Denver (twice), Arizona and San Diego for the Steelers. (This is in addition to travelling to Cin, Cle, Indy and Carolina when I lived in Columbus.)
    Anyone that makes the comparison in pricing of Super Fan vs. going to a game is just crazy.

    Going to an NFL stadium is an event. Watching a game at home, while entertaining, is not the same experience. I still talk about games that I went to with friends from 20-25 years ago. I was in the endzone seats when Terry Bradshaw was used as a punter. There are very few games that I think "I remember sitting on my couch when ...". The two ways of viewing a game do not compare in any way.

    The game in San Diego was one that will stay with me forever. It was a great atmosphere. Monday Night, the SD fans were (generally) pretty cool and it felt like a Steeler home game. Even the feeble white 'rally towels' couldn't stifle the Terrible Towel. The Steelers were making the game winning drive as the clock was running down and the guy next to me (20 year season ticket holder) acknowledged "At least the towel are white" before he threw it over the railing. (You will never see a Terrible Towel suffer that fate.) If I watched that same game at home, it would not hold the same memories.

    That being said, I have crossed my personal threshold for pricing. I would prefer to spend $350 at my local sports bar over 11 games than with D*.

    I have quite a few friends that know I have ST and each year during the summer, they talk to me about getting D* just for it. (I first got D* for exactly that reason in 97 ($99)) If ST was $150-$200 (in HD) I could virtually guarantee that I could get 5 or 6 guys to sign up. I would be very interested in seeing how well D* does at retaining ST subs that are out of contract, as well as in contract customers. There are probably quite a few subs that will serve out their contract then fade away.

    I like the programming that I get from D*. The price is acceptable. But the ST has kept me from even considering Dish as an option. Once I drop it (and adjust to life after ST), the 'loyalty' to D* is finished. I will play the flip flop game to get teh best price.

    And as far as the juvenile "You're not a real football fan" ... please. OK, I guess I'm not the uber-fan that paints his face at home or lives or dies by my team, but the NFL doesn't pay my mortgage or put food on the table. Whether the Steelers win or lose, I still have to go to work the next day. I still have to live my mundane existence until the next weekend. And you know what, I am still waiting for a call from Ben Roethlisberger just to see how MY life is going. He hasn't called yet.
     
  2. Jun 5, 2008 #162 of 647
    NinerK

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    I hearya pbg and I agree with some/most of your points. I just got on a rant.

    Your thoughts on the price point of NFLST were right on as well. Even at $175 I think they'd almost double the subscription. At $100-$125 they'd get even a larger share of their subscription base.
     
  3. Jun 5, 2008 #163 of 647
    bcrab

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    :righton: :goodjob:

    Still waiting for my phone call too. :D
     
  4. Jun 5, 2008 #164 of 647
    bonscott87

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    While that may be true, at least in the past the networks (CBS/Fox) have not wanted Sunday Ticket to get all that popular and dreded it coming to cable because they felt it would water down their product with lower ratings and so forth. There were articles on this around 2002 or so when it was up for renewal then. And Comcast with the other cable companies actually turned down the opportunity to bid which always makes me laugh when they complain to congress they don't have Sunday Ticket when in fact they turned it down. They had their chance to out bid DirecTV but balked.

    So anyway the NFL doesn't want it too cheap because they want to actually limit the number of subs to keep the big boys happy. Also why they like the exclusive to DirecTV, it does limit the number of subs that can sign up. Again, at least in the past.

    Now whether or not the networks still feel that way and whether the NFL still feels an exclusive deal is best, we'll see in a couple years when ST is up for bid again.

    If there is one thing the NFL does well, that is they know how to make the most money. At least in the past if the NFL felt they would make more money by making it exclusive and expensive vs. ST available to all like Center Ice or Extra Innings. In 2010 if they feel that making it available to all will bring in the most money (including counting on lower revenue from the networks who would feel their product isn't worth as much now) then they will do it.

    As for costs, having it on multiple providers doesn't mean it would be a lot cheaper. The NHL, NBA and MLB are on multiple providers and those package prices go up every year as well. And guess what, every provider charges the same price. Imagine that. ;)

    MLB is $199 this year. Sunday Ticket is $269. So the prices aren't really all that different. And both have a Superfan package. So to claim that Sunday Ticket is way overpriced, if you compare to other sports packages (which are not exclusive) and figure in that the NFL by far is the most popular sport (thus people are more willing to pay) the price probably isn't all that far out of line. I'd say that Sunday Ticket is probably $20 more because it's exclusive when you look at the prices of the other package.

    I personally believe it to be expensive, but I have made cuts in other areas to make up for it so I will still get it. For now. Someday that may change and if so I'll look at other alternatives like cable and Uverse.
     
  5. Jun 5, 2008 #165 of 647
    Araxen

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    I still believe if they offered a "team pass" for $125 or less a season they would make more money. I know myself I just want to see the Cowboys and that's it.
     
  6. Jun 5, 2008 #166 of 647
    GutBomb

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    Consider the number of baseball games you get for your $199 when comparing the prices of the two offerings.

    I'm not going to factor which games are not carried for national broadcasts, but that really won't matter because the differences are staggering.
    $199 for 4860 games in MLB compared to 480 for NFL.
     
  7. Jun 5, 2008 #167 of 647
    NinerK

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    Agreed. In fact, I don't know if anybody here remembers this but the DTV had a survey a few years back asking MANY questions such as:

    "would you prefer to purchase a per weekend/game basis?"

    I think that would be a great idea, and I took the sruvey, but never heard anything else.

    Oh well, I have had a GREAT time watching NFLST and hope to be able to afford it again. It's an excellent product.
     
  8. Jun 5, 2008 #168 of 647
    caimakale

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    I agree completely.
     
  9. Jun 5, 2008 #169 of 647
    daveriv

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    For a while I have been in the camp of - pay for it or be quiet - but my tune changed recently. Anyway, I sent the following email to Directv re: Superfan and received the following response. I guess, I like others, out here now have reached the point where I can no longer afford this package and will need to learn to live without my team when they aren't on locally. It's a definite bummer but unfortunately I'm not made of money and it's too expensive to pay for the package AND another $99 for HD games.



    Customer (XXXXX) - 06/05/2008 09:36 AM
    Hello, I'm writing today to understand if Directv is planning to charge my account for the HD games as part of the NFL Sunday Ticket (i.e. Superfan). As I already pay an HD Access Fee I don't see why I'd be required to pay for HD games as part of NFL Sunday Ticket.If Directv is going to charge for Superfan, I then need information on how to cancel my Sunday Ticket subscription and receive a refund for what I have already paid. I will not be paying extra for HD games and will not be paying $260 for SD games. My main reasons for having Directv is for NFL Sunday Ticket. If I can't get the package at a reasonable price, including the games in HD, then I no longer have a reason to continue to be a Directv customer when my contract expires in December.Thanks and please respond with Directv's
    plan for my account re: Superfan!

    Dear Mr. XXXXX,

    Thanks for writing. NFL SUNDAY TICKET games broadcast in HD are included in the optional NFL SUNDAY TICKET SuperFan package from DIRECTV. To purchase this "add-on" SuperFan package, you must first subscribe to the NFL SUNDAY TICKET package.

    The optional SuperFan subscription includes over 180 NFL games in HD as well as exciting new channels available only to SuperFan subscribers. (Actual number of games varies by market due to blackouts and other conditions. Games broadcast by your local FOX or CBS affiliate will not be available in the channel 704-733 range of NFL SUNDAY TICKET.) Please visit our web site at directv.com/nfl for more information.

    Some NFL games broadcast locally in HD by FOX, CBS and ABC may be available via an off-air antenna.

    Since the NFL SUNDAY TICKET 2008 season has not started, you may remove this package from your account. Please call us at 800-531-5000 anytime to make the changes to your account.

    Thanks again for writing.

    Sincerely,

    (removed CSR name and #)
    DIRECTV Customer Service

    Make the most of DIRECTV by registering your account on directv.com. You'll learn about exclusive online promotions, new features of DIRECTV and the latest programs and packages. Visit www.directv.com/register today.
     
  10. Jun 5, 2008 #170 of 647
    HarleyD

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    I got the exact same form letter when I emailed.
     
  11. Jun 5, 2008 #171 of 647
    dcowboy7

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    its almost like they want people to drop it.
     
  12. Jun 5, 2008 #172 of 647
    NinerK

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    Your sig is perfectly matched to this post. :D
     
  13. Jun 5, 2008 #173 of 647
    NinerK

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    Why would they want people to drop NFLST?
     
  14. Jun 6, 2008 #174 of 647
    bonscott87

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    This is true. But the NFL as a league is far more valuable and can pull in ratings way more then the MLB can. There is always that component to it. Thus the league with more "value" can charge more. There is a reason why the NHL package is the cheapest. ;)

    Also keep in mind that Sunday Ticket has a LOT more subs then MLB EI. Like triple the number. I remember the MLB EI dispute last year I was surprised at how small the sub numbers for EI was.

    Now having said all that, if the value of ST becomes less then what is charged then you'll start to see a shift. We'll see where it's at in a couple years when the current contract ends.
     
  15. Jun 6, 2008 #175 of 647
    jsmuga

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by njfoses
    This is my second year with st. I signed up for the $23 something a month plan for 11 months back in January. When i tune to channel 107 it gives me the option to purchase? Anybody on the $23 a month for 11 months authorized on 107? Thanks.

    Mike




    I am on that plan and when I tune to 107 I get that I am authorized to view.
     
  16. Jun 6, 2008 #176 of 647
    dcowboy7

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    it was a joke....kinda. :lol:
     
  17. Jun 6, 2008 #177 of 647
    joed32

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    You are correct, also each game is 1/16th of the season so each game is more important to the outcome. With baseball it's 1/164th of the season.
     
  18. Jun 6, 2008 #178 of 647
    schlar01

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    The ST is $269 with a $99 SF, which most people want now. MLB has a cheaper base price, with only $50 in SF, and has a billion more games.

    $370 for the NFL package is just getting absurd.

    And yes, I like to complain.
     
  19. Jun 6, 2008 #179 of 647
    jtuck2

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    My first year with D* (mid 90's) NFLST was $119. Anyone remember those days? That was when you got two bills, D* and USSB.

    I am dropping after over a decade of ST, this is getting ridiculous. I accept the base price, but don't charge me extra to receive HD on equipment you are charging me extra for already. I truly wonder how many ST subscribers are interested in the base package alone, it has to be a small number. If you have enough disposable income to afford ST, you most likely already have an HD set to see playoffs, etc. in HD.
     
  20. Jun 6, 2008 #180 of 647
    schlar01

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    It will be interesting to see how many people follow through and boycott. I am tempted to say 'screw it' and get the ticket, because I do love getting all the games, but it has reached a point where its out of control.

    I also wonder how much gas prices are going to affect this? Its $3.90 here and oil has gone up about 12% in the last two days, if you follow that stuff. If prices are at $5+ per gallon when it comes time to renew, I have to think these are the luxuries people will start cutting out.
     

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