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Discussion in 'The OT' started by James Long, Jan 7, 2011.
Yes......DBSTALK forum rules prevent me from using another term!
The consequences for screwing up on the Autobahn are severe.
Speed limits and traffic laws are to keep traffic flowing safely, smoothly and uniformly. Granny doing 50 in the left lane could be a problem, but that doesn't mean everybody else should be sailing by on the right at 90 if the speed limit is 65.
Speed limits and traffic laws are for safety. Unfortunately, citations are treated as revenue sources. I recently heard about a county having financial problems that decided one way to help alleviate the problem was to instruct the Sheriff to issue more citations. To me, that should be flat out illegal and it's one reason I'm opposed to the issuing venue keeping any funds from citations. All such revenue should go to a central state fund and be re-distributed based on population and financial need, not on number of citations issued.
Doing 50 is one thing...You still have a bit more control over over your car. Doing 102 is a whole other ball of wax.
Ayup! I know a woman who spent a winter in NH and said it was the most miserable winter she'd ever been thru. Happy, she was, to get back to NJ. I've only been there in the summer. Spent a week in Millinocket, Maine a bunch of years ago. Very unfriendly natives. They went so far as to close the bowling alley in the summer so the "Visitors" couldn't use it. That pretty much was the sole source of recreation in the area, unless you count climbing that ugly mountain of boulders, Mt. Katahdin, as recreation. I did find out what a "destroilet" was tho. Much to my chagrin.
Could have and what ifs aside, doesn't the facts matter? (Sorry, I'm not trying to be a jerk here, more wanting to understand, as I know you are closer to this than others) I know that the laws are in place to help protect us. To me the officer was doing his job, I can not fault that at all. The judgment though, when all is said and done, doesn't it get its day in court? Are the laws strictly that cut and dry? I am not so certain. But your point that no body (convicted of) going over 90 mph in Virginia not getting jail time is a telling sign, though I would digress that each situation is different.
If he had hands free calling, does that come into play?
Your last paragraph is a great question: should he have handled it differently? Absolutely! Is an admonishment sufficient or is something more severe warranted? I can't judge that myself.
Did you have to call the guy a name?
These days in the U.S, women rarely die in childbirth while people frequently die or are seriously disabled in 100 MPH collisions. He put her at much greater risk. Touchy subject or not, he needs to do some jail time.
Stop sugar coating it. The jerk panicked. And because of that he placed himself, his wife, his unborn child and others in grave danger. The only people qualified to operate a motor vehicle at that speed are professional race car drivers, law enforcement officials and emergency response teams. And to make matters worse his wife stated they'll do it again!
More risky than what? Just because he did 102 mph doesn't mean he was being risky. There is more to the circumstances than simply the speed.
That would be me. Every time I've been up there, I've felt like a stranger in a very strange land. We stopped once in Maine and asked a farmer standing by the side of the road if he knew where Millinocket was and his reply was "ayup". Nothing more. Altho grammatically correct, he could have answered our question instead of just saying ayup and walking away.
I've got a friend that retired from the place I used to work and went to Maine to live and he ended up in a place populated by "visitors". He's been there about 20 years and is still uncomfortable with the native population.
I was on city streets doing 20 over the speed limit that alone is enough to goto jail in some areas. 102 miles an hour on todays highway is excessive but i doubt he even knew he was going that fast. I rented a 2010 Dodge Caravan to drive to S.C. And was shocked when my wife told me to slow down i was 98 MPH in a 65 MPH Stretch of I-95 in GA. The van was so smooth and quiet I did not even realize how fast I was going.
Back to the topic Luckily no one got hurt, sure the wife was arrogant in her statment and I am sure she may come to regret it. I hope some one will follow this to see what the judge has to say.
Rarely fine but complications can happen and they do. This is an age old story going back decades. i have heard tthe same story all my life. Here in florida a city of miami police officer was detained by FHP he was driving back from Key West at speeds over 90 MPH because he found out his dad was about to die of a heart attack back in miami. There was outrage that he was not even ticketed, he was off duty and in his POV. People in stressfull situations sometimes do things they would not normaly do. I supported the officer because I would be frantic if I got a call that one of my loved ones was about to die I would be hauling ass to the hospital in that situation.
BTW people in stressful situations does not mean the crackhead who is stresssed because he needs money and decides to rob or kill some. I know someone will try to spin out of context what i wrote.
Our interstates were originally built to carry military vehicles, as was the German Autobahn. Ike was so impressed by the Autobahn that when he became president he began building them, for the sole purpose of moving the armed forces quickly.
We've passed the point where our interstate highways in NJ are anything close to safe. The Garden State Parkway is very congested and moves so fast that it's damn near terrifying to out of state drivers. The NJ Turnpike keeps expanding, but it will never be able to keep up with the number of cars that use it.
In any event, 102MPH is awfully fast to be driving, especially under the stress of having a woman in the last stages of giving birth sitting next to you or in the back seat (I do hope the guy had enough sense to put her in the back seat!).
I'll agree with that, but how many folks really drive well enough to go 80MPH in heavy traffic? And I see that all the time. Mostly little Hondas that are souped up and weave in and out of traffic like they are entitled to take every one's life in their hands. My car's speedometer goes up to 160 and I have little doubt that it could bury the needle, but I stay within nine miles an hour of the posted speed. Ten MPH over and the cops can take your license on the spot. And I think they can impound the car too.
In low population areas perhaps.
§ 46.2-852. Reckless driving; general rule.
Irrespective of the maximum speeds permitted by law, any person who drives a vehicle on any highway recklessly or at a speed or in a manner so as to endanger the life, limb, or property of any person shall be guilty of reckless driving.
§ 46.2-862. Exceeding speed limit.
A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who drives a motor vehicle on the highways in the Commonwealth (i) at a speed of twenty miles per hour or more in excess of the applicable maximum speed limit or (ii) in excess of eighty miles per hour regardless of the applicable maximum speed limit.
Yes, they are two different statutes, but the second one implies the first. His speed in itself was endangering life, limb, and property.
Stop being such a jerk about it. It happened he was ticketed and a judge will decide. I can empathize with the couple and you can not. It is what it is.
You are correct. It "is what it is", a jerk who panicked and carelessly placed himself and others in grave danger!
One of my sons is a police officer and I asked him what he would do if he saw someone doing 100MPH or so thru his town. His reply was that he'd call the next town (in NJ, we've got more towns back to back than anywhere else) and have them set up a roadblock. He told me that under no circumstances would he or anyone that worked under him pursue anyone doing that kind of speeding for fear of collateral damage to life and property. But, the law is pretty strict here. Not a bad place to live.
Aw, for crying out loud, all he had to do was make a tiny mistake at that speed and the car and passengers would have been gone. It's that simple. Are we supposed to think he is a hero?
As a guy who got pulled over doing 100+ with a laboring wife in the passenger's seat all I can say is "walk a mile in a man's shoes."
My wife had one contraction once we got there and out came my son. Without speeding I would have been catching a baby myself on the side of the Baltimore beltway in 10 degree weather. Yeah. No.
+1......a few days ago a state trooper here stopped a power company truck responding to a downed line and issued a speeding ticket.