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Discussion in 'The OT' started by James Long, Jan 7, 2011.
'Dat like Moose und Squirrel?
Here's an interview with the family by George Stephanopoulos who says he's mystified as to why they got the ticket. GMA Interview
Also, the driver has been to court once already and is going back tomorrow (Monday). He said he is fighting it because if he pleads guilty, he could lose his driver's license.
Which might not be a bad thing?
Maybe he can use the state's motto as a defense?
The caveat being not greater than the speed limit.
Yesterday I went for a drive and ended up doing 19 MPH in a 65 MPH zone and later in a 60 MPH zone on a different road. On the way home the latter road was still slowed to 19 MPH and the first was clear enough for 45-55 MPH. The people who attempted to drive the speed limit were easier to spot. Their cars were in the ditches. (Heavy lake effect snow with drifting ... vizability was about 200 yards to lit objects such as traffic lights and much less to the road ahead - probably 25 yards to road signs. I was using my GPS to help let me know which way the road was curving while following tracks in the snow.)
That is what the "basic speed law" is for ... requiring slower than posted speeds when conditions are unsafe at the posted speed. In no way does the "basic speed law" allow faster than posted speeds.
Common sense would say you're right, no greater than, but if I recall right, they didn't have the limit as part of the thought there, just to what is safe. It may be understood or implied, but if I recall correctly, choosing the speed limit was the wrong answer.
If you violate the posted speed limit, they ticket you for that.
If you're not violating the posted speed limit but going too fast to be safe, they ticket you for violation of the basic speed law.
They really don't need to say that the basic speed law doesn't allow one to drive faster than posted speeds. They just ticket you for whatever law you're violating.
You can be ticketed for going to slow in NJ, too. Don't recall it ever happening, but it should happen on the super highways. Going 40MPH and putting on makeup while chatting on the phone deserves some kind of special award. I've actually seen that.
Again, states differ, but you can be ticketed if you're more than 15MPH below the posted limit on certain highways. Falls under obstructing traffic or something.
It's something called like "...driving too fast for conditions"
I got an actual written warning for driving too slow from the DRPA getting off the Ben Franklin Bridge. *sigh*
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Section 82-4-24. - Operator to give full time and attention to driving.
No person shall operate a motor vehicle upon the highways of this County without giving his full time and attention to the operation of the vehicle. ((3-13-63; 1961 Code, § 16-85.)
And there's a code section for that too...
§ 46.2-877. Minimum speed limits.
No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.
Whenever the Commonwealth Transportation Commissioner or local authorities within their respective jurisdictions determine on the basis of a traffic engineering and traffic investigation that slow speeds on any part of a highway consistently impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, the Commissioner or such local authority may determine and declare a minimum speed limit to be set forth on signs posted on such highway below which no person shall drive a vehicle except when necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.
We will know then
I'm a little confused. They showed up on Tues, Jan 4 and were told that his court date was on Mon, Jan 10. He shows up today and was told he needed to be at court on Mon, Jan 3, so he pleads guilty for the Fail to Appear.
Well, I guess this thread will definitely be revived in a few months...
Not me, I don't violate them.
No kidding! It seems they are trying reasonably to participate in the "due process" though, I don't know if we have the entire story either.
Extremely well stated!
I used to say that the speed limits are set at arbitrarily low levels -- especially when compared against today's cars and the technology they employ. I now say they are set much lower than needed so as to generate additional revenue.
And the drivers take driving seriously. Left lane drivers (my pet peeve) don't exist. People actually understand and abide by drive right/pass left.
Having driven on Europe's roads I don't know that they're built any better than ours.
I can't believe people are still skewering this guys here, either. :nono2:
what i have seen on tv is that the autobahn is built to a higher standard everything thing from the depth of the road bed to the curves. maintenance is more than throwing some patch into the potholes.