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NHL Center Ice

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by bigben7, Oct 4, 2007.

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  1. Oct 17, 2007 #641 of 1514
    JMartinko

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    I agree. The part that is the most ridiculous is that they actually have to make an effort to black out games to CI subscribers when both feeds are on. Tha games are already on a national beam in most cases anyway. It would be far less complex in the control room to simply open up all hockey feeds to a CI subscriber rather than figure out which of the two they are supposed to get. I hope the example set by the Wild/Kings game last night is a sign of good things to come.
     
  2. Oct 17, 2007 #642 of 1514
    loudo

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    That game was not transmitted in 16x9 format. FSN had no games in HD 16x9 last night. It looks like D* upconverted it to 16x9, but it was still a cleaner picture than the SD broadcast.
    Fox Schedule: http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/1528343
     
  3. Oct 17, 2007 #643 of 1514
    STEVED21

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    No, it wasn't upconverted to 16x9. It was pillar boxed as I said.
     
  4. Oct 17, 2007 #644 of 1514
    loudo

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    When they upconverted it they took the 4x3 video, added the pillar bars and upconverted it from the SD quality 4x3, 480i format, to a 16x9 screen by adding pillar bars to the 4x3 picture to make it 16x9, then transmititng it at a higher resolution. Not sure if it was 720p or 1080i, didn't really check.

    The upconverting has nothing to do with the pillar bars, but is the process of increasing the resolution of the screen. Say from 480i to 1080i.
     
  5. Oct 17, 2007 #645 of 1514
    al2

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    Was it me or was the feed from TSN on the Canadiens Panthers game best I ever seen for SD. Looked great also streched.
     
  6. Oct 17, 2007 #646 of 1514
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    I can not believe that the NHL, struggling with viewers as they are, would have any restrictions about carrying multiple feeds beyond exclusivity for the local RSN. If there is any of that type of verbage in the contract they need to tear it up & start over. They should be trying to get their product on every channel that will carry it, especially if it is HD since there are many people that will watch a game just because it IS in HD.
     
  7. Oct 17, 2007 #647 of 1514
    r0n

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    What is unclear to me is why HD feeds are not always made available in Center Ice when they come from the new nationally carried HD RSNs? From my (admittedly sporadic) viewing, it seems that sometimes those HD simulcasts are made available, but not always.

    One possibility is that D* is not yet set up to get the straight HD backhaul directly from the arena so that they can do their own commercial drop-ins during commercial timeouts. Viewers of CI will notice a lot of ads for D* during commercial times - those are dropped in by D* itself. And we've all seen those other games where D* doesn't add commercials and so instead of commercials you get two minutes of random camera banter between the hosts. That's because D* is (apparently) getting the direct feed from the arena, and (apparently) didn't see any value in adding commercials to that particular game. For example, there was a game on Sunday night (I think it was the Ducks) that had both SD and HD available. The the SD feed had D*'s commercials, and the HD feed had the RSN's commercials. So (apparently) the SD feed was coming straight from the arena, and the HD feed was being picked up from the local RSN broadcast.

    Anyway I'm just theorizing but it may be that getting those direct feeds is the key to getting all the available HD games.
     
  8. Oct 17, 2007 #648 of 1514
    wilbur_the_goose

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    OK, but it's obvious the D*'s HD strategy is MPEG-4. If you want HD, you should switch.
     
  9. Oct 17, 2007 #649 of 1514
    pedro4868

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    Yea, really. I don't know why you would still have the directivo boxes unless you don't like more hd channels.:)
     
  10. Oct 17, 2007 #650 of 1514
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    I think the solution is easier than this and would give D* a chance for more revenue .... when multiple feeds are available do what you normally do Pick home or Canadian if available and put it out on CI channel then for people with Sports pack the CI feed if from one of the RSNs is out there so just don't BLOCK the Away or two non-canadian feeds to CI/Sports Pack customers --- no guide issues no channel numbering issues and an added benefit for Sports pack customers so maybe D* makes some additional money .... everyone should be happy except the nonsports pack hockey nut and they would know what they had to do to get the extra feeds --either get sports pack or switch to E*
     
  11. Oct 17, 2007 #651 of 1514
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    Not trying to be obtuse here, but I confess to being a bit confused by DirecTV’s responses on all this.

    DirecTV is saying they can’t show multiple feeds of games or carry more NHLCI games in HD due to their contract with the NHL. Hmmmm…okay. First, the HD issue.

    Taking into account local/regional blackout restrictions, they CAN show ALL games available on a given evening in SD, correct? Aside from technology limitations on the part of the provider, in this case DirecTV, Dish and various cable operators, why would said provider be “allowed” to carry a game in “SD”, but not “HD”? It’s the SAME game. Why in the world would a league as exposure and publicity starved as the NHL negotiate a deal with providers to display their product, and then say “Oh wait; you DO know that this is just for the SD signal right? We can’t allow you to show the incredible, mind-blowing HD signal if it IS available, via NHLCI. Just so we’re clear on that.”? What???

    Of COURSE every provider has their own contract with the NHL to carry Center Ice. Duh! Welcome to capitalism. Both Dish and DirecTV have their own contracts with Big Ten Network as well. Is DirecTV not showing games in HD on the “overflow” channels (as Dish does) because the Big Ten isn’t allowing them to? Or is it rather because THEY are incapable or unwilling to do so? It’s ludicrous (and deceptive) for DTV to insinuate that somehow it is the NHL who is limiting what DirecTV can provide on NHLCI. IF there are “legal” limits on the number of HD games which can be shown through NHLCI on DirecTV, and I highly doubt that, it is because DirecTV would have put those limits into the contract, NOT the NHL. Ask yourself this: Why in the world would the NHL say to Dish and cable “YOU can show as many HD games as you can handle; however, we’re not going to allow DirecTV to show as many as YOU can.”? BS. ANY HD limits on the Center Ice package which were negotiated, legal or technology related, are strictly the responsibility of DirecTV. Anyone who tells you different is selling something.

    As for the “Multiple Feed” question, you have a quote right in this forum from the NHL Vice President of programming:

    "NHL Center Ice selects feeds based on our experience of what is most appealing to Center Ice subscribers. As such there is a strong preference towards Canadian feeds. If space allows, some providers carry both feeds of a game and allow Center Ice subscribers to choose which they watch. This is not done for every game, but we ask our Center Ice carriers if they have capacity to carry both feeds to please do so."

    There it is, literally in black and white, from the NHL itself. “IF space allows, we ASK our Center Ice carriers to carry both feeds”. Does that sound like “The NHL is preventing us from doing so” to you?

    All I ask from a provider of a service I purchase is quality and honesty. If I inquire as to whether a particular thing is provided in that service, and the response I get is “We’re not yet capable of that” or “We choose not to do that”, fine. They’ve now answered my question honestly. But when hockey fans ask DirecTV about the availability of games in HD or multiple feeds of games through Center Ice, and we’re told “Oh, the NHL won’t let us do that”, they’re being intentionally dishonest. I can’t speak for anyone else here, but THAT’S why I’m angry.

    Quit playing the “Our hands are tied by the NHL” card DirecTV; it’s dishonest and insulting.
     
  12. Oct 17, 2007 #652 of 1514
    wilbur_the_goose

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    Chris - I don't think it's a case of being dishonest. I think it's a case of lack of knowledge on the CSR's part, which as we all know, is the #1 complaint about DirecTV.
     
  13. Oct 17, 2007 #653 of 1514
    wilbur_the_goose

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    Darn - I was going to suggest this tonight. :)
     
  14. Oct 17, 2007 #654 of 1514
    loudo

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    Agree, but a lot of people don't even realize that they need to switch their equipment over. Here we all know that, but many consumers have no idea that they should be changing over to MPG4 equipment. As the new stations are coming on line I am sure people are calling D* as to why they are not getting them and at that time D* will be converting them over.
     
  15. Oct 17, 2007 #655 of 1514
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    I couldn't agree more with this. I'm tired of the vague answers we have all had in the last month.

    The FACT that DirecTV showed two feeds of one game last night shows they CAN do this. It is just a case of do they want to....
     
  16. Oct 17, 2007 #656 of 1514
    penguinmike87

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    Possible good news here? According to D*'s website, they have scheduled more Center Ice games in HD on the subchannels:

    Tonight:
    New Jersey Devils at Pittsburgh Penguins 7:30 pm 765-1

    Tomorrow:
    Tampa Bay Lightning at Boston Bruins 7:00 pm 764-1
    Los Angeles Kings at Calgary Flames 9:00 pm 770-1

    Saturday:
    New York Rangers at Boston Bruins 7:00 pm 764-1
    Pittsburgh Penguins at Washington Capitals 7:00 pm 770-1
     
  17. Oct 17, 2007 #657 of 1514
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    Wow with the subchannels working and both feeds of a game showing up, we're really going to be hard pressed to find things to complain about with D*. Guess there's always getting the CBC in HD on Saturday nights...
     
  18. Oct 17, 2007 #658 of 1514
    loudo

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    That is great news. I am surprised they are not putting the Lightning/Atlanta game on Saturday night. They are showing it for us, in HD, on 96.
    I think if we give them a little time, we will all be satisfied with what we end up with.
     
  19. Oct 17, 2007 #659 of 1514
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    Well my not complaining didn't last long, nhl.com shows tomorrow's Islanders/Capitals game should be shown in HD from CSN-Washington which is up nationwide, hopefully that will show up tomorrow on the D* schedule or we will be allowed to tune it in directly. The Saturday night game would have to be from CSN-W however. It also appears that the Kings/Flames tomorrow night will be another SD upconvert.
     
  20. Oct 17, 2007 #660 of 1514
    wilbur_the_goose

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    The Isles/Caps game will be a real indicator. Since it's HD on CSN-MidAtl, we'll be able to tell quickly if they fixed their blackout defects.
     
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