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NHL Center Ice

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by bigben7, Oct 4, 2007.

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  1. Oct 22, 2007 #921 of 1514
    islesfan

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    Isn't this the point? Isn't NHL center Ice an entity in and of itself? I wasn't aware that DirecTV has its own "NHL Center Ice" that it negotiates with NHL, and that Dish has its different entity which they conicidentally call "NHL Center Ice" and they negotiate separately with the NHL for broadcasting rights, and so on... This sounds ludicrous!
     
  2. Oct 22, 2007 #922 of 1514
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  3. Oct 22, 2007 #923 of 1514
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    I brought up a similar point earlier in the thread. My thought was DirecTV might be paying less than their competitors for the Center Ice package but not passing the savings to us.
     
  4. Oct 22, 2007 #924 of 1514
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    I think the real problem id that D* has been concentrating on the other programming and ignoring CI. Thats why we can't get discouraged and need to keep the pressure on them. They would like all of us to get tired of e-mailing and calling.

    Last week I called because the Kings game was in HD on FSW and I got 721 message on the FSWHD but the game was fine on FSWSD. Talked with HD specialist:eek2: who tried to give me some song and dance that HD games wern't available till end of year. Told him to tune to that channel. He did and was getting it ok. He said about blackout rules. I said hold it, first of all I'm getting error 721 not "this program is not available in your area" besides who ever hear of blackout for HD but not SD. Duh! Idiots!:mad:
     
  5. Oct 22, 2007 #925 of 1514
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    This is the biggest problem with them. No one that you talk to or email at Directv seems to know anything. If they would just say ANYTHING that made any sense it would be much better. If someone would just come out and say "we're aware of the problem and we're working on it" it would go a long way toward them looking like they are competent.

    Hell we haven't even been able to get this thread be made a sticky by the mods.. and look how long it is now! ST gets a weekly sticky while the NHL gets relegated to second class status.
     
  6. Oct 22, 2007 #926 of 1514
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    Don’t confuse the blackout rules with wanting HD games. And don’t confuse that just because it is available in HD in local RSNs that this automatically means that the game should be in HD on NHL CI. The bottom line right now is that programming for NHL CI, like other sport subscriptions (NFL ST, MLB EI, NBA LP, MLS DK, etc., etc.) are viewed in 700s. Yes, I understand that we can watch the “mirrored” broadcasts in the 600s but come to the realization that many of you are watching the incorrect channel for a certain game and therefore FEEL that you are watching a game in SD that it should be available in HD because it is available to local RSN viewers in HD. Check the NHL CI schedule for D* to see what game will be available in HD and these games will be “available” on the HD RSNs that are normally available only for local team markets. I checked the HD game availability for NHL CI schedule on E* and it differs from D*, just like it has year after year (I’ve always complained about the difference in HD availability to D* and I would always get the same “bandwidth” pat answer). Just because the HD RSN are CONUS doesn’t mean that the blackout restrictions would somehow change for professional sports.

    OSD 721 can sometimes be 727, depending on the package you subscribe to. I have Premier so I receive 727 on the HD RSNs for games that are not scheduled to be in HD because the Sports package is included in my package. But one of my brothers subscribes to Plus HD/DVR and gets 721 on the same channel because he does not subscribe to the Sports Package. And as to why a CSR in call center can view the game and we can’t: D* owned and operated call centers receive different programming authorizations than customers. I have been told this by many a CSR and Supervisors. The reason why is so they can compare broadcasting issues to ensure that it is national broadcast problem and not a location problem. The only thing they can’t view is local channels from outside their market.
     
  7. Oct 22, 2007 #927 of 1514
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    Speaking of the NFL Sunday Ticket...I noticed yesterday that I did not get blacked out because of local TV rights. I believe this new policy has been in effect this year while last year I was getting blacked out. (couldn't watch the ticket when my local affiliate showed the game) Any way the point is that blackouts can be resolved if DirecTV want to do it. This was simply a case of the squeaky wheels getting oiled. Obviously as NHL fans, we don't have near the clout. Sad but true.:(
     
  8. Oct 22, 2007 #928 of 1514
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    I don't think this was posted yet -


    thanks to tshaine @ DBS Forums

    http://sharks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=340649
     
  9. Oct 22, 2007 #929 of 1514
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    As crazy as this sounds that may very well be the case ...look at MLB EI ...You get the games on YES on D* and for virtually all of last season on SD Cox 4 and CSN-Philly (even HD games!) and on D* there is no YES fewer HD games as well ...cable didn't have Cox and CSN philly games on until the end of the year and I am pretty sure (the non-SF at least) price was identicle amoung the 3 providers for the most part ... so we are getting a "different" (currently worse version) of CI for the same money on D* .... wait and see if it gets better or not (I think it will in the short and definetely long-term) then weigh the differences for yourself and move to E* or cable if overall these differences are more significant than the shortcomings with the other providers.
     
  10. Oct 22, 2007 #930 of 1514
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    I see the post on Sharks not blacking out CI feed when they don't televise and the lightning have done that forever in Tampa and I greatly appreciate it ...if memory serves the Blackhawks do not allow the feeds through in Chicago and do not televise any home games (well maybe just a few each year)
     
  11. Oct 22, 2007 #931 of 1514
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    I think we need a concrete document from D* that explains their rules. Till then, it's pretty much mass confusion.

    And, did you notice, the NBALP folks are starting to experience the goofiness too?
     
  12. Oct 22, 2007 #932 of 1514
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    I haven't seen anything. Got a link?
     
  13. Oct 22, 2007 #933 of 1514
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    The Kings game I referenced to from last week was also listed in the CI -1 channels. I had a 721 message there also and the CI SD channel I could view.

    There were a couple of guys posting at that time that they were getting the HD feed on the CI -1 channel. I don't see why I would get the CI SD feed and not the CI HD-1 feed.
     
  14. Oct 22, 2007 #934 of 1514
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    papa_azteca I agree with you, but here is the problem and I have said this before. Let's take this Saturday night for instance:

    Chicago vs Boston.

    The game is in Boston and on NESN HD (Available now to the entire country, not just spot beamed) and the mirrored channel in the 700's. Someone made the decision to use the NESN feed for the NHL Center Ice subcsribers on Directv, so in this case everyone with the Center Ice Package should get the game in HD in the 600's and 700's, but the problem is this is not always the case, someone and I don't know who make these decisions could have said "We're going to use the Chicago feed for that game." Then the entire country would NOT get the the HD feed and be forced to watch the game via the Chicago feed in SD except for the local Boston area.

    This is not the case with Dish Network! Dish subscribers receive both feed for the exact same price. If we could get both feed opened up for Directv Center Ice subcribers things would be much better and thus we would then receive more HD games.

    I know this probably sound like a broken record, and don't think I'm whining..;) cause I could always move to Dish network, but I've been with DTV since 1994 and like their service, I just wish I could get a "straight" answer from someone..

    Great thread guys, let's keep it going..

    --Clint--
     
  15. Oct 22, 2007 #935 of 1514
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    OK, now how do we tell in advance which feed is which? I only have 18 tuners; I can't record double feeds of 15 games! :)

    (I'm really only half kidding; it'd be nice to know which is which, although I'll admit that there are only a few that it's a big deal on).

    Brad
     
  16. Oct 22, 2007 #936 of 1514
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    Not always, but 99% of the time this is true. One excption will be this Saturday night.

    Montreal @ Pittsburgh will be a CBC feed on DTV 769..Even though this game is on in HD from Fox Sports Pittsburgh on 628 and 628-1

    Directv Center Ice subs "outside" the Penguins DMA will only get the SD feed from the CBC. Center Ice subs in the Pittsburgh DMA will only get the 682 and 628-1 feeds which will include the HD version.

    Dish network is showing both feeds and more than likley will get the HD version although their schedule does not reach till Saturday for HD games yet.

    --Clint--
     
  18. Oct 22, 2007 #938 of 1514
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    Have you seen this?

    http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/customer/faqPage.jsp?assetId=1300026#category7

    It's from the FAQ at D* website under Sports. Take a look at #1, #2, #4, #7 below!! Maybe NHL Network in HD on Weds?

    NHL CENTER ICE
    01 Which NHL games fall under blackout regulations?
    Blackout restrictions apply to all games that are on NHL® CENTER ICE®. Blackout restrictions are designed to protect the television rights holders in the competing teams' home markets. Blackouts are not based on arena sellouts.

    02 Could you give me an example?
    If the St. Louis Blues are playing the New York Rangers, the local telecast areas of the Blues and Rangers will be blacked out on NHL® CENTER ICE®, regardless of whether the games are being televised locally. If the games are being televised locally, NHL® CENTER ICE® subscribers can view the games on their over-the-air television station or their local regional sports network (RSN). If DIRECTV carries the local station or network, the game can be seen by all CHOICE subscribers who can watch local channels.

    03 How does NHL CENTER ICE Automatic Renewal work?
    Relax and experience the ease and convenience of Automatic Renewal.

    Here's how it works:
    When you sign up for any DIRECTV® sports subscription, you are automatically eligible for Auto Renewal.
    Being eligible for Auto Renewal means that you will already be signed up for the following year at the lowest full-season rate available. It is so easy! Without making a call or filling out a form, you will receive the following season of your favorite sports subscription at a special low price.
    Your subscription will automatically renew for the following season, provided DIRECTV carries the sport. Your bill will show "Renewal — No Payment Due Yet" a few months prior to the start of the season. Your first installment will be due close to the start of the season.
    All you have to do is keep your DIRECTV account in good standing and make sure all DIRECTV® Receivers are continuously connected to the same land-based phone line. A past due account or a receiver without a phone line may disqualify you from Automatic Renewal. Also, if you cancel your subscription before the season starts, you'll be ineligible for the special low price.

    Sports subscriptions cannot be cancelled, transferred, refunded or credited (in part or in whole) after the season starts.

    Commercial locations require an appropriate license agreement.

    04 When will DIRECTV carry the NHL Network? Will it be available in SD and HD?
    DIRECTV is projecting to launch the NHL Network in both high definition (HD) and standard definition (SD). We anticipate the NHL Network in HD to launch in late October and the NHL Network in SD to launch in early 2008. Please check back later for more updated information.

    05 Where do I find HD games on NHL CENTER ICE?
    This will vary depending on your equipment and if the games are available that evening in HD. Not all games are provided to DIRECTV in HD.

    If you have a 5–LNB Dish, a HD capable television and one of the following HD DIRECTV receivers (H20, H21, HR20, HR21) you will see your NHL Center Ice games on channels 94 and 95 as well as in the NHL Center Ice channel range of 764–776. HD games in the NHL channel range are represented by a “–1”. For example, channel 765 Ducks vs. Bruins would be in SD, but 765–1 Ducks vs. Bruins would be in HD(if available).

    If you have older HD equipment (not one of the four model numbers mentioned above or the 5–LNB dish), you will find select HD games ONLY on channels 94 and 95 when available.

    HD Access ($9.99 per month) is required to see HD content, regardless of the type of HD equipment.

    06 How many HD games will be on NHL CENTER ICE?
    We expect to deliver up to 12 games per week in HD by mid December for customers with the 5–LNB Dish and a newer HD receiver (H20, H21, HR20, HR21). As we continue to launch Regional Sports Networks in HD over the next 6 weeks, the number of HD games will rise steadily.

    07 Why are there two feeds of the same game listed in my guide for NHL CENTER ICE?
    When possible, we are placing both the home and away game broadcasts in NHL CENTER ICE for you to choose from. For example, you may see the Ducks vs. Bruins on channel 765 and channel 766. The Game on channel 765 would be the Ducks broadcast and channel 766 would be for the Bruins broadcast. When possible, we will present both options to NHL CENTER ICE subscribers
     
  19. Oct 22, 2007 #939 of 1514
    c_perrone

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    Great news guys...looks like we finally did something....I just don't believe it! This must have just appeared in the last day or so...I looked at the FAQ over the weekend and did not see this.....

    You guys are the best!

    --Clint--
     
  20. Oct 22, 2007 #940 of 1514
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    It 'could' be good news, but they weren't specific about which hockey season they would do this were they?? Maybe they mean by 2010.
    :rolleyes:
     
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