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NIB HR20-100S

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by sportflyer, May 5, 2018.

  1. slice1900

    slice1900 Well-Known Member

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    If it is new in box I don't think it could be owned, it wouldn't be in their records as owned until someone activated it.
     
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    Even if it was purchased before the lease program started?
     
  3. codespy

    codespy What....Aaron and Danica? Uggggg...... DBSTalk Club

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    It was around that time, but once activated, it cannot be transferred to another account unless it went through the recovery process with DirecTV via the recovery program. This and other IRD's have not been in the recovery process for a long time now, but if brand new (NIB), it can still be activated similar to other owned IRD's. There is still a way to get a top of the line receiver (in my case owned/used/not leased) activated, as I activated an owned HR54 last year that I bought from a DirecTV CSR.
     
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  4. mjfoxtrot

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    As far as the practicality/feasibility of using an HR20-100S in the year 2018: I am still using one in my house, and it runs fine. It’s been a workhorse for around a decade, getting constant use, and it just keeps on rolling.

    The only thing that is tricky about the HR20-100 models is that you can’t just hook up a DECA to it in the normal way. The HR20-100 is a very early DVR and cannot power the DECA unless you deploy a splitter (there’s a fair amount of documentation on this.)

    But other than that, there is no reason that your new HR20-100 wouldn’t be a viable DVR for you or a buyer on eBay. As someone else mentioned, the OTA capability is a nice feature on this model, so I’d bet someone would want it.
     
  5. Rich

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    Thought they were always owned. Not sure.

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  6. Rich

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    If it's not in their records as owned it's leased. There were only a few ways to actually own an HR. You could work for D* and get the HRs as owned, but that stopped. MDU dwellers always got owned HRs but that stopped. Testers got owned HRs, I'd think that still happens. Really not hard to find owned HRs. Once you get them and activate them you can trade them in for a newer HR and if you do that correctly they will be owned.

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  7. mjfoxtrot

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    So recently I got five HR24s as protection-plan replacements for older receivers (all HR20s and HR21s). A few days after I received and activated the HR24s, DirecTV sent me official notices in the mail that the company does not want my HR20s and HR21s back and that I can recycle them if I wish. Does that officially mean that I own the HR20s and HR21s, or is there still some legalistic hair-splitting to be wondered about, i.e., "We don't want them back and you can incinerate them, but you technically don't own them." Just curious.
     
  8. codespy

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    No one would be able to activate them anymore on a different account- they are still technically leased. You could possibly activate them in the future on your account that they were originally listed on, otherwise they make good doorstops, or you can strip them for parts.
     
  9. codespy

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    I thought it was around February, 2006 when the lease program started. I remember having received a couple HR10-250’s that were effectively leased after that date, until my gradual conversion to the HR series in the years following that, starting with the HR20-700.
     
  10. mjfoxtrot

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    Thanks for the reply. I'll probably just hang on to them for backups. I actually did re-activate one of the HR20s recently, as I used it to replace an H24 non-DVR receiver.
     
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  11. Rich

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    IIRC the HR20s came out in the fall of 2006. I think the leasing program always covered them.

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  12. Rich

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    They will never carry the "owned" status. D* saves money by having subs dispose of these unwanted boxes.

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  13. mjfoxtrot

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    So why do people buy/sell them on eBay? I have no interest in that myself, but I'm wondering why people are doing it? For instance, there are numerous people selling HR20s on eBay right now, asking for $100+ in some cases. As I understand it, it would be foolish for someone to buy these, because DirecTV would simply say you could not activate the box since it is still leased to someone else. In several of the eBay auctions, the sellers say that the prospective buyer will need to get a new access card from DirecTV. But D* wouldn't provide that, would they, if the receiver is still leased to another customer.

    In at least one of the auctions, the seller says they "confirmed" through DirecTV that the box can be used by a new owner/account holder. Seems to go against the grain of everything I have read here.
     
  14. P Smith

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    The life is more complicated then we all sharing here... one real way to set it up is call CSR.

    In my case I did purchase those for parts when people like to keep running the old models because of recordings, old familiar interface, OTA, etc.
     
  15. slice1900

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    It would be foolish to buy one without confirming with Directv it is owned. Some people are selling owned boxes and they know it, others are selling them because they don't know the whole owned/leased distinction (they might not even be former customers if they found one in a storage unit or are selling off their parents' estate) Some people might buy them for parts for their HR20 - i.e. power supply and hard drive even knowing they can't use the actual receiver.

    There are plenty of owned HR20s, its just that there's no way to convert a leased HR20 into an owned one, so if it isn't on their books as owned it never will be.
     
  16. Rich

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    I get a list of HRs for sale everyday from eBay. Never ceases to amaze me how ignorant people are when it comes to buying these things. Ever see anything in those offerings about getting your money back if D* won't activate it? I'm a big believer in ignorance being forgivable. Threads like this one help us educate folks.

    Apparently eBay hasn't changed that much or they'd be cracking down on D* DVR sales. Best advice for anyone thinking of buying an eBay D* DVR is this...don't. Not unless you understand how important it is to call D* and give them either the RID# or the Serial# of the listed HR. You will be told whether the DVR can or cannot be activated. If you are told the DVR is owned and can be activated by purchasing a new access card (for $20) do it. If you are told the DVR has never been activated and is eligible for activation on your account buy it. It probably has never been activated. If you are told the DVR cannot be activated don't buy it. No matter what the eBay seller writes on the offering. These are your choices, best to be informed.

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