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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by SHS, Jan 12, 2018.

  1. lparsons21

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    Not to mention that the ‘difference’ is very subjective. To me, the difference between HD on Dish and DirecTV is minimal and a non-issue. To others, it is very noticeable and irritating.


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  2. SHS

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    Surely you can see the compression artifact even on the HD channel
    1: Mosquito noise
    2: Dot Crawl
    3: Staircase noise
     
  3. lparsons21

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    Nope, nary a bit. Some time back I had both Dish and Direct and did a comparison as well as I could. There were some very minimal differences, but not enough to matter imo.


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    Tv quality I am sure plays a part. Some do a better job upscaling lower res so they can make even some crappy cable systems look good
     
  5. rjhseven

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    Dish is my only backup if I drop DTV after 25 years. Since ATT took over, they have constantly lied to me and customer service is awful with each service call lasting an hour to 1 1/2 hours-purposely I think to reduce calls. They tell you to go their website but all you have there is simple FAQs with no ability to do anything meaningful.

    My question is are you comparing apples and apples-Dish’s newest and best equipment to that of DTV’s?
     
  6. slice1900

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    Some people are more sensitive to PQ issues than others, just like some people will immediately recognize if music is played at a slightly higher pitch and others wouldn't even if it was pointed out to them. I notice that and find it annoying, but the motion artifacting of LCD/LED TVs really drives me up the wall but many people can't see it at all. When I was younger my dad would sometimes watch something on the VCR and turn it off; it was connected via S-video so the screen would go black and he wouldn't always remember to turn off the TV. I could hear it from two rooms away, that 15.6 KHz flyback transformer all CRT TVs had. I'm pretty sure I couldn't hear that frequency anymore now, but man it sure drove me up the wall and my dad couldn't hear it and didn't know what I was talking about! :tearsofjoy:

    For someone who doesn't notice / doesn't care about the difference in PQ, it is as irrelevant as Dish carrying Pac 12 or Directv carrying YES to someone who doesn't watch sports.
     
  7. P Smith

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    you are not alone - I'm still hear the flyback's sound from outside when old CRT running near open windows summer time (you'll be wondering why people still using it here)
     
  8. P Smith

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    well, it's standard test environment [side-by-siide] and a few members here had the experience from first hand between dish and dtv
     
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    Gotta wonder how the weather is in the Western Mediterranean Sea...

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  11. slice1900

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    You must have done a pretty good job of avoiding a lot of loud noises during your life if you can still hear frequencies that high. I think my time as a club DJ and just spending a lot of time in bars, concerts etc. killed my ability to hear that high before I reached 30! :eek:
     
  12. P Smith

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    sorry to hear that ... perhaps I never been a fan of loud dance floors :) and did rare visits to rock concerts, perhaps that's prevent damaging my hearing; although Sir Paul visit to San Jose been pleasant for my ears
     
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    Is that an "oscillator squeal" you're talking about?

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  14. SHS

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    Genie 2 HS17 how min tuner are see now with firmware 1037 or newer I could have sworn that it originally only had 9 or 11 I think if I recall right I forgot and now it seem to show 15 tuners listed did bump up the number tuner count for HD or useless 4K steam ?
     
  15. slice1900

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    I think it always showed 15 tuners in the info display, but it only actually grabs 11 unless something has changed.
     
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    Very odd as the Genie 2 Product Manual listed as supports up to seven (7) streams of content simultaneously (two of which can be 4K streams)
    Even on Solid Signal wed site it saying up to 7 HD simultaneous streams including 2-4K streams (5-HD + 2-4K)
     
  17. NR4P

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    Streams relate to the video/audio feeds from HS17 to the TVs.

    Tuners are between the HS17 and dish.
    Some of the 15 are for reverse-band 4K when it gets put to use so that's why there is confusion between 11 and 15.
     
  18. slice1900

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    Well it only grabs 7 if you connect it to a SWM16 or old 8 tuner SWM LNB, which works fine since they aren't using bonded transponders for 4K yet. If you connect it to a reverse band capable SWM, it will grab 11 - 7 tuners for regular single-transponder non-bonded content like HD, SD and current 4K programming, with 4 reserved for bonded transponders in the future.

    A few years ago one of Directv's bigwigs said they'd be bonded two transponders together, used for three 4K channels, and supposedly once they begin using reverse band for 4K they will use bonded transponders. Some in the CE program claim they were told Directv would be bonding three transponders together, which is possible I suppose but we'll just have to wait and see.

    Personally I wouldn't be surprised if they don't use bonded transponders at all when they eventually switch 4K to reverse band, since until there are 37 4K channels they won't have any need for it and bonding is just one more thing to complicate matters. I'm growing increasingly skeptical we'll ever see anything remotely close to that many live 4K channels... One thing's for sure, by the time we see a 37th 4K channel the HS17 will be long gone from Directv's lineup, and be considered non-recoverable so they may choose to implement bonding in a more efficient manner.
     
  19. P Smith

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    nice to see, you did relaxing that old adagio: only the "bonding" is the way for 4k ;)
    now, if you would not be so persistent on DVB-S2X tuners/demods ...
     

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