No Cable or Sat as base? Then streaming service is DOA says Cord Cutters

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  1. lparsons21

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    Yeah, AirTV is a nice integrated solution. Unfortunately for me my preferred streaming box is AppleTV and it doesn’t do that.


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  2. James Long

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    Low cost, High Quality, Large channel selection. You're not going to get all three.
     
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  3. Rich

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    Really? I think recording a game and watching it with an hour buffer is a better way to do it. Or watch multiple games on multiple DVRs with no buffer. Either way works well. I can't imagine suffering thru a whole live game.

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    Another paradigm to deal with, someone who actually wants to suffer...

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    The picture we got from Fox on D* was outstanding. Goes to show you what they can do if they want to. Games on Fox usually mean I'm gonna be annoyed by the PQ, that didn't happen yesterday.

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    Regular season games on Fox (even OTA) were awful in terms of PQ. The last TNF game on the Fox Sports app, 1080 upscaled to 4k HLG/HDR was very good, like the SB. Clearly Fox has the ability to do it.
     
  7. b4pjoe

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    I kind of like watching baseball live. I like to listen to the play by play and analysis. I could do without the 5 minutes of commercials every half inning plus commercials for every pitching change, replay review, and any other reason they find for a commercial. NFL ST bugs me sometimes where there could be 8 games going on ST plus 2 on the network channels and they all happen to run commercials at the same time. :mad:
     
  8. lparsons21

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    Yep, very true. It is all about priorities. You could do streaming with lots of shows to watch without subscribing to a single pay streaming service as long as your not worried about current seasons, sports or other things, and can tolerate ads.


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  9. phrelin

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    Well, I struggled a bit to watch the game. I only get Fox from Dish and we had a storm, thateven on Sunday morning wasn't forecast as possible after 1pm Pacific Time. As I've noted elsewhere, I need my dishes raised and a third one. Can't seem to get any response. And so I couldn't get Fox in HD.

    Fortunately our daughter was visiting who is a rabid 49ers fan and who has AT&T Uverse which app we added to our Fire TV Cube only to discover that the restrictions on licensing through the app when not streaming through her AT&T internet allows only the NBC local affiliate. But...

    Her package has Fox sports so using the Fox Sports app we got a crystal clear picture. Good game though we lost.

    All of which brings me to the subject of this thread as expressed in these posts:

    The very problem that I faced Sunday reflects the differences between service provided by DirecTV, Dish, or cable TV. They are not just content providers but signal providers. They have equipment and operating costs related to the satellite service or cable service delivering the content from wherever into your home.

    Streaming services such as Netflix, Amazon, YTTV, Hulu, etc., whether you watch live TV or on-demand content, have no such direct costs. And while they have some costs getting their content onto the internet, the fact is you and I are paying for internet service.

    As I've noted here in other threads, I would incur costs for the internet even if there were no streaming video services. In fact I did before there were streaming video services.

    And so, for our home we stream:
    • Hulu at $11.99 per month give us on-demand most ABC, Fox, and NBC broadcast programming and some cable channel programming (with FX being added soon),along with other originals, all without commercials;
    • CBS All Access at $9.99 , gives us CBS broadcast programming, along with other originals, all without commercials, plus our local CBS channel streaming live;
    • PhiloTV at $20.00 per month gives us live sreaming with recording/commercial skipping capability to almost all the cable channels of any interest to us.
    That's $42.00 a month for what is essentially a satellite/cable TV package equivalent. But if you were to throw in the $80 cost of our internet service, suddenly you have a number that looks like a satellite or cable service package - $122.00

    Of course, I can't throw in the internet cost because I would have it without that streaming.

    Then, I do have AcornTV, Netflix, HBO, and Amazon Prime. Plus I give PBS $5 a month. And I occasionally add a few months of Showtime or Britbox or....

    The truth is the economics of all this is going to change as I contemplate the impacts of Apple TV+, Disney Plus, Peacock, HBO Max, and any other ad-free service possibility.

    The problem is I feel like its 1914 and I've acquired my Ford Model T ultimately to replace my horse and buggy. But most roads still need to be improved to be able to drive my car on. I know I won't be going back to the horse, but it is still a whole new experience.

    The sad thing is, I "paused" my Dish account only to have PG&E turn the power off a little over a month later which turned off Comcast's system - no Xfinity internet and no streaming TV. So I "unpaused" Dish so we could get live news coverage and some TV shows. But I really should shut it off....
     
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  10. wmb

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    That's about when the horse populations peaked in the United States. It dropped about 1/3 in the next 10 years, and by half by about 1940.


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    Yes, I picked 1914 because it was a time when automobiles and trucks started getting serious use in the cities like New York City. The New York Auto Show that year in Grand Central Palace was consolidated into one building with 78 gas cars, 6 electric cars and 14 motorcycle were on display. But autos were replacing horses in urban centers as can be seen in this picture of NYC:

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    While the parallel is not perfect, streaming is pretty rapidly replacing cable TV in urban areas. My dad was raised in the East Saint Louis area and by the time he was an adult in the late 1920's owning a car, not a horse, was the norm. Outside the cities, folks still had horses and roads were still not all auto friendly.

    I see traditional TV as the horse with the cable companies providing the stables, hay, etc., for a fee. These kinds of transitions take a couple of decades.

    Netflix, the "Ford Motor Company" of streaming, began internet streaming in 2007. We know that within a decade most homes were doing some streaming and the make and model of streamers had multiplied. And by the end of another decade, 2027 "they" will have shot almost all the horses, so to speak.
     
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  12. Rich

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    The PQ we got on our local was so good...well, we were watching the game and I finally looked at what channel we had on. Shocked to see it was Fox. A season long problem all of a sudden looks great. Yeah, they can certainly do it when they have a good reason to do it.

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    I usually watch the Mets and Yankee games at the same time. Have to use the DVRs to do that. I'll do just about anything to avoid commercials.

    The NFL is different. I can record every game on a given Sunday and watch them all day long. Just watch the first quarter of any game and then pick another game and watch the first quarter. Do that all day long and it makes for a pretty good day.

    Just another YMMV thing, everybody has their own way of watching sports.

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