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Discussion in 'The OT' started by yosoyellobo, May 24, 2013.
you have regression legislators there
The argument is that people with those types of cars buy less gas which means less money for road maintenance.
Our legislation has gone crazy. . . I have a hybrid but there are hundreds of models of cars that get better mileage than my hybrid, thus avoiding the road tax through gas sales. I also have an EV (Leaf) and don't mind paying a road tax, but call it what it is, a supplemental road tax -- for EVERYONE. Set up a schedule based on EPA mileage ratings, so everyone can enjoy the fun.
NC taking on the Federal Highway system (charging to use an Interstate!) promises to be interesting.
Agreed. I get some of the same kinds of arguments about biking on the road, that I should have to pay yearly registration fees and insurance coverage in case I hit and injure someone.
The system needs long term fixing, but no one can agree on what is the right fix.
Every state that charges a gas tax charges money for the use of the roads in the state (there are no discounts for miles driven on interstates). Quite frankly they are charging for use of roads in other states as well. For example: In May I have driven in seven states. I have bought gas and paid gas tax in two states. Those states collected tax for miles driven in other states ... and in this month most of those miles were on interstates.
Electric, hybrid and other high mileage per gallon cars cut in to the revenue states use to keep their roads maintained. They have to get the money from somewhere. That would be from "us" ... traveling taxpayers. If we are not paying it in gas taxes we'll have to pay it some way.
I did some of the math recently. If I went electric, I'd be depriving the government of the taxes on about 55 gallons of gas per month. In NH, the combined taxes are $0.38/gal. So I'd be skipping out on just over $21/month in road taxes.
You can't tax eletricity for this since not everyone has an electric car and most of the juice to a house WITH one would be for 'normal' use.
To be honest, I wouldn't be opposed to paying a $25/mo surcharge on my property taxes. After all, the savings in my gas costs alone would have been just a hair under $200/month. I want to cut the oil company money out of my budget. I do *not* want to further cripple our infrastructure by not paying to keep the roads and bridges maintained!
I think this could just be a little jab from the legislature at the stereotype held here about hybrid/electric owners. They have also proposed, and likely will pass, 170 new taxes targeted at things like Social Security and medical care.
NC is also changing this year to charge the vehicle tax at the time of tag registration (also requires inspection at that time). Just setup a Supplemental road tax based on the mileage and add it in.
Not sure whether you agree that a state charging for access to a federally built and funded road is all right, or not. I don't think it stands a chance of survival. Well, that's my hope anyway.....
And with Tesla's supercharger plans, to make stations available around the country so that longer distance trips are possible, not only will a Tesla owner not need to buy gas, they won't need to buy electricity for charging as much either, as charging at them is provided by Telsa at no charge. Some of these stations already are solar powered, and more will be in the future.
How stupid is that? :contract:
I wouldn't underestimate Elon Musk
Right or wrong every state with a gas tax is already doing it.
Considering user fees account for 57% of funding, they aren't going anywhere. We need a bridge replacement on an Interstate locally, the states may need to pay for 20% or more, and they have talked about tolls.
The NC House has killed this idea.
Good. That whole bannin sales cause if not using a franchise system is ridiculous and nothing more than a strong arm that shouldn't be put up with.
Always love that idea.. while they may have seen a few more of one brand, all those guys came out of the same group of people.. they come and go from independent and dealer shops all the time..