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Official Echostar 8 Discussion

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Scott Greczkowski, Oct 7, 2002.

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  1. jhall

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    so the short of this is you don't think we will see MPT on E* in the future? I do not pretend to understand the laws, I am only going by memory from watching the debates on c-span. If MPT isn't in the first three, who are they? WETA, WUTP, and who? WNVC and WNVT, although they may be classified PBS stations, definitely do not show PBS programming, at least not that I've seen.
     
  2. scooper

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    Note - there is a distinction between PBS and NCE - PBS is a subset of NCE. The rules are that the DBS providers only have to Must Carry the first 3 NCE stations, any more after that the station must offer a substantially different programming schedule from those already carried.

    In short, you probably won't get MPT on E* unless E* starts offering Baltimore.
     
  3. bryan27

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    It is any dish of 1m or less. Ku-Band which uses 1m or less dishes would certainly qualify. C-Band on a 1m dish isn't likely.

    The only exception is if the LPTV is a translator, and the main station uses the translator as a way to get the signal to the POP.

    I quess it could be phrased that way :) PBS is a program distrubution service providing programs to member stations through an interconnected service.

    Not all NCE stations "subscribe" to the PBS service. The largest competitor to PBS is APT http://www.aptonline.org/ there is also the smaller Annenburg which is instructional programming.

    WNVC and WNVT will never have PBS programs. Why? They run their own competing "network" called MHz Networks.
     
  4. scooper

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    Thanks for your comments -
    As a Compueter Science major from college, I tend to think in mathematical terms, and that "explanation" fit closest to what I was trying to say.
     
  5. Bob Haller

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    pittsburghs spot any time in next day or so!
     
  6. bryan27

    bryan27 DBSTalk E* Spot Beam Guru

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    Echo-8 spotbeam map has been updated with information from the FCC file on the satellite. A few of the beams in the old map had their beam centers off by as much as 75 miles. The updated map uses 50watts (the maximum spot power) instead of 45watts that the old map used, which greatly increases the -5dB contour. After looking at the map it now is aparent that both DTV-4S and Echo-8 were constructed by the same manufacturer.

    http://wvjw.info/dbs-beam/

    The only thing I haven't but on the map that is on all the others are the TPs used on the beams as they are different than those on the application. This will be added when all the beams are activated.
     
  7. btbrossard

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    The same goes for Milwaukee, WI. I guess Charlie doesn't want the $1,200+ dollars a year I spend on DBS service.

    DirecTV offers locals in Milwaukee and I will soon be a DirecTV subscriber.

    /Benjamin
     
  8. JohnH

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    Looks like Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Detroit and Austin have gone to spots this morning.
     
  9. unreg guest

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    Here at 5:40a EDT, 30mi east of Toledo, OH, DP501, DP Twin:

    110W
    01 -- 117
    02 -- 125 MAX
    03 -- 111
    04 -- ZERO
    05 -- 114
    06 -- 59
    07 -- 110
    08 -- 125 MAX
    09 -- 111
    10 -- 125 MAX
    11 -- 111
    12 -- ZERO
    13 -- 111
    14 -- 117
    15 -- 111
    16 -- 116
    17 -- ZERO
    18 -- ZERO
    19 -- 115
    20 -- ZERO
    21 -- 113
    22 -- 95
    23 -- 88
    24 -- 100
    25 -- 88
    26 -- 94
    27 -- 87
    29 -- 89
    31 -- 91

    119W for comparison
    01 -- 44
    02 -- 119
    03 -- 41 (not locked)
    04 -- 117
    05 -- 120
    06 -- 106
    07 -- 117
    08 -- 121
    09 -- ZERO
    10 -- 117
    11 -- 121
    12 -- 120
    13 -- 114
    14 -- 119
    15 -- 111
    16 -- 100 *
    17 -- 120
    18 -- 121
    19 -- 117
    20 -- 116
    21 -- 120

    * 119W TP 16 is weird -- sometimes it reads ~75, if you move up or down a few transponders and go back, it reads 100 or 111
     
  10. johnsmith22

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    They must be very close to finishing the moves to the spots. Looks like there are now seven transponders without anything on them, 5,7 and 11 have a signal but aparently no programming and 12,17,18 and 20 are dark.

    Any ideas on the next move?
     
  11. JohnH

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    There are still Washington, Dallas non-nets and Miami Nets as possible moves.

    Tps 5 and 7 look like the NBA League Pass may be warming up there.
     
  12. bryan27

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    Here are my readings this morning:

    2--100
    4--0
    6--70
    8--115
    10-125

    Right now I would say that the CLE,PIT,CIN beam is TPs 8&10 and that TP 2 is in the 'Mid-West' beam. I know that TP 6 is comming from the Phily beam.
     
  13. JohnH

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    Well, Tp 2 has Pittsburgh nets and Cleveland on it. It gets here.

    Tp 8 has Pittsburgh non=nets and Cincinnati. It gets here.

    Tp 10 has Detroit on it. It gets here.

    Looks like all 3 are on the same beam.
     
  14. bryan27

    bryan27 DBSTalk E* Spot Beam Guru

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    Thank's John. The info is a big help as I'm trying to configure cities and TPs on the new map.
     
  15. Chris Freeland

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    It appears from the revised map that Chattanooga is just barely missed by two spotbeams. It appears unless Charlie can pull a rabbit out of the hat and save the merger, no locals for me. :(
     
  16. KB

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    Bryan27,
    Looking at the revised map you posted yesterday, I am still not under a spot from E8 here in w Tx. near the NM border. However, if this will help you, I am receiving an avg reading of 60 on tp 6, 107 on tp2 and this morning tp8 fired up in the 70's.
    Tp6 is for Albuquerque, tp2 is for San Antonio and it appears tp8 is for Austin.
    Question-Since the old NM spot map had two tp's (8 & 10), it appears the new expanded spot for NM will take in a large portion of Co. under this spot with ABQ at tp6 (known) and Colorado Springs at tp4 (according to lyngsat). Does this sound correct?
     
  17. bryan27

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    Chris, we all know what is going to be added to the empty space. Once Washington, Miami, & Dallas Non-Nets are moved there will be 7 1/2 empty TPs. Enough room for 15 additional cities. I wouldn't give up hope just yet.
     
  18. Chris Freeland

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    bryan27, if your latest map update is correct it appears that Chattanooga is still missed by all spotbeams, even the one that Nashville is on. Unless E* adds Chattanooga on full conus on 110 or 61.5 or launches another spotbeam satellite, I do not see Chattanooga being added. I doubt E* would consider placing Chattanooga on full conus, maby 61.5, and even if E* decided to add another Spotbeam bird in the future it would likely be at least a couple of years in the future.:shrug:
     
  19. Jacob S

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    I have also noticed transponder 16 bouncing around on 119
     
  20. TNGTony

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    Bryan... Readings in Cincinnati:
    2 (98)
    4 (0)
    6 (99)
    8 (101)
    10 (100).

    Signal strength taken during clear sky low humidity.

    See ya
    Tony
     
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