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Officially Price Increase for Feb 1 2010

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by dolmar, Jan 6, 2010.

  1. siwsiw

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    Well, I am sure about that this ruomr is true. I got a quote from a Dish representitive with the new prices, what was stated is true. I have a very complicated billing configuration and it is true that they are charging $7 per extra tuner beyond the first one and $3 for the each extra DVR beyond the first one in addtion to the standard single DVR fee on the account of $6. The connection fee is also dropped.
     
  2. CABill

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    Whether single or dual mode doesn't matter for billing $. Every independent output will now cost $7 (excluding your 722 - whatever is most "expensive"). Although your 222 is currently primary, it would be $14 as an addl rec and the 722 would be $17 so it should be BILLED as if it were the primary. I don't *believe* it will matter which appears as the Primary when you check online. There is another $5 you presently pay on the 625, but it likely appears on the bill as "with DVR". The posted price "changes" are based on people paying $5.98 DVR fees on each DVR, but some people pay $0 (AEP) and others pay $5 (like you).

    Pretending your 722 is Primary (or billed as if it were), you'd pay the $6 DVR fee for it, $17 for the 625, and $14 for the 222. That added $37 is $15 more than the added $22 you now pay ($10 625 and $12 722). The 625 is the biggest part of the increase (two outputs @ $7 instead of a single $5). If you drop the 625, it would come down $17 - more than covering the $15 increase. You could run the 722's home dist TV2 to the TV connected to the 625, but you could also replace the 625 with a 211 and an external HD to get DVR (single sat plus possible OTA record) which would add $7 - a total of $5 more than you pay now. That might get you into another 2 year commit (with an increased cost to get out of starting in Feb) - some people may not be in the mood to commit to a subscription to avoid monthly price increases.

    NOTE the posts about price increases producing some short term credits - they would reduce your $15 increase. It is also possible you might get a short term credit (or avoid a fee) if all three of your dual output receivers are connected to a phone line / broadband. Makes it hard to say exactly what your increase will be, but $15 is a better starting point than the $6 you posted.
     
  3. CABill

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    I've phone a CSR (added HBO & Showtime promo) and asked about the changes. The CSR I talked to was aware of the changes and confirmed the parts I happened to ask about. Something I asked about produced a "can't say until Feb", so I didn't continue asking. She had had training on the changes but could only confirm AT120 name instead of a metal, no price change on it, but phone/broadband question was a show stopper.
     
  4. Link

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    Thanks for the info. This seems a lot worse and more complicated than the usual $3 package increase.

    Won't this make Directv considerably cheaper? As far as I know, they still have one DVR fee per account of $5.99 and a dual tuner DVR receiver HD or SD is $5.00 extra as is any additional receiver. I used to recommend Dish to friends because they could save on the receiver fees with the 2 tuners but I guess that will no longer be the case.
     
  5. CoolGui

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    I think you are right, the DVR fee shows as $6 and you can get a $1 discount on that with the XTRA package. So if you have more than one DVR, your bill could potentially be less with DirecTV. It seems like you'd save even more if they were multiple HD DVRs I think, and they don't seem to charge for the extra tuner in the receiver. DirecTV is supposed to be raising their rates as well, not sure if this includes equipment rental similar to what Dish is doing. Honestly I'm not concerned enough to compare the channels in the packages or the rumored DirecTV changes to try to make a comparison.
     
  6. Jim5506

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    I'm sure Dish's bean counters have analyzed the dickens out of this and see that for subs with 1-2 receivers, the freezing of programming fees will give them a big advantage with potential new subs and they figure enough of the high dollar subs will stick around to offset the loss of those that bolt.

    They are essentially saying that subs with mulitple DVR's are less profitable than the mom & pop subs with 1 or 2 receivers and they are changing their business model to reflect that "reality".

    It might amuse me just a bit if they are proven seriously wrong by April.
     
  7. CoolGui

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    You are probably right, Jim, but what does having extra receiver or DVRs really cost the company other than initial cost of the hardware? I'd rather they just charge up front for the hardware instead of screw you every month until you've paid for the hardware 10 times over after a couple years. It seems like corporate greed to me, but that's no real shocker. :eek2:
     
  8. bnborg

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    I think the whole point is to make it so complicated that when your bill comes, you can't figure out how or why you are getting screwed.

    And when you try to compare your alternatives (Dish, Cable, DT, etc.), you can't figure out which would be the least expensive.
     
  9. CoolGui

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    Good point, bnborg... The way they all increase prices every year, at nearly the same time is suspect to me. An apologist for the industry would probably say it's just a coincidence or has to do with the new year, but I honestly think it's anticompetitive collusion.... Yeah, they have no problem getting customers from other providers, but let's just do that ASIDE from allowing us to all increase our prices. :)

    Although the content providers demanding more every year doesn't help any either.
     
  10. jorossian

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    Strange

    I just got my online bill today.

    No package price increase whatsoever. Reciever lease fees the same. w/dvr pack price the same. No separate "dvr" $6 charge. Same pricing and pricing structure as ever.

    Anyone else?

    Any chance the increases will be added later in the month as adjustments?
     
  11. CABill

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    Just like every year, nobody will see any change until their bill is generated AFTER 1-Feb. I'll have my bill for 10-Feb thru 9-Mar generated on 23-Jan, and it will still have old prices - eventhough it is for a period starting in Feb.

    Eventhough your programming package price won't increase in Feb, the unusual wording of no 1st quarter increase leaves a July programming increase possible in addition to the "simplification" of the bill they do in Feb.
     
  12. Stewart Vernon

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    Not to beat the expired equine...

    ... conversations with a CSR are hardly confirmation of any rumor. Search the forum and you'll find numerous examples of CSRs that have told people:

    1. Channels that Dish carries do not even exist.
    2. Channels in package A are not really in package A.
    3. You can't add an external drive to a 211.
    4. You can't add an external drive to any Dish receiver.
    5. Dish does (or does not) carry whatever channel you ask about, but the opposite is true.
    6. HD can be connected using coax or composite cables to other TVs.

    etc.
    etc.

    Again, I have no clue one way or the other on these new pricing rumors until I actually see something official from Dish myself as a customer. And while the rumors might even pan out to be true 100% as stated, I'll hedge my anger until that day comes to pass... and quoting a CSR as a confirmed source when 90% of the rest of the time the same folk who consider that "confirmation" have refuted other CSR claims.. seems dubious to me.
     
  13. James Long

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    :beatdeadhorse: ?

    There are some aspects of this I hope we're wrong about. I hope to be pleasantly surprised. But things are not looking good. :(
     
  14. Link

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    I sure hope so because if all this is true, this their worse increase ever. I don't know how others feel but I'm not going to pay $17 a month just for an extra dual tuner DVR especially if the second tuner is only used for recording and not viewing on another TV--that is just ridiculous to be priced per tuner.
    Yes I could afford it, but I'm already paying almost $100 a month now and that is without any premium channels and 3 receivers. I think that is more than enough now to pay for TV.
     
  15. TulsaOK

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    Check your bill next month.
     
  16. TulsaOK

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    :rant:
    I'm never amazed at those who think that as a result of a price increase they are getting "screwed" or attribute it to "corporate greed". No one is holding a gun to your head and you're free to leave anytime. It all depends on how much you value watching TV, how much you're willing to pay. Once you reach a point where it's not affordable, either cut back on the programming or give up a receiver or two. There's always the option of going elsewhere where I'm sure folks never get "screwed". For those who can take advantage of OTA, it's FREE! I don't like price increases any more than the next guy but it's a part of doing, and staying in, business and either I agree or I make other arrangements. Or, I guess I could just whine about it. :)
     
  17. puckwithahalo

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    I'll comment on Feb 1 when things are official and I don't have to worry about them deciding to change something last minute. That and we've basically been told not to talk about it til then too.
     
  18. newsman

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    I have a 222 and 211. The 222 is connected via ethernet. I own both my receivers. I may have to sell the 222 and get another 211. No sense in getting screwed for something where I use it for the rare PIP (during football season). I already get charged for the 211 - as the 222 is my primary. :mad: Though, I am currently unemployed, we may have to drop satellite altogether if things don't improve. So, it may be OTA all-the-way.
     
  19. CABill

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    There would be no price advantage to trading your 222 for a 211. Possible techincal advantage if you wanted to add an external drive. The full page ads in my local paper still say "FREE Service on Second TV" and that should still be true after 1-Feb (for ONE Duo receiver). If you had two 222s, you'd have a reason to trade one for a 211. The job market and economic situations might dictate a change, but your receiver combo shouldn't generate a price change.
     
  20. CABill

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    Dead horses are fair game. :)

    It all depends on what the CSR says. Both annual sub and connection charges producing ~ "You would have to wait until Feb - that wasn't covered in my training on the changes" should be believed. Contrast that with a statement that nobody should believe:
    Neither of us probably knows what CSRs get told, but even in a normal Jan, they probably all get memos about the changes before they go into effect. This year, there is supposed to be more significant activity because it is so much more "simplified". :( There is no way DISH would spring this on CSRs without advance notice and some training. You're quite correct that you're likely to get different answers from different CSRs that had the same training, but if I'm told Bronze will be called AT120, I'd tend to believe them. If I had ASKED if it would be called AT120 and just got a Yes, not so much.

    DISH doesn't do a great job with communicating the pricing to customers at any time, but a few days after 1-Feb, the basics should appear at http://www.dishnetwork.com/2010. I'd be surprised if it included the info on short term credits available if you bill goes up $X that have been posted here. Kinda surprised that was even posted at all. I've no idea if it is correct, but it didn't look like something a poster just made up themselves.

    I've got a 622 that isn't activated, but will be during the Olympics anyhow. Rather than getting mad (your advice to wait is good there!), I might try to work the system and make sure it is activated in case it is going to push me into a higher credit tier or get some multiple connected Duo bonus.
     

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