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One of the HR20's best "unknown" features... Single Channel/Single Tuner Recordings

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Aug 1, 2007.

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  1. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '07

    Jan 21, 2003
    I've been using it since at least October. I know I found it cause somebody posted around that time they saw 3 things recording at once and posted a screenshot and on SciFriday I noticed the exact same thing. Then others noticed it and quickly we discovered what was gong on.

    I think someone even went crazy and had something like 8 things recording at once by doing this. ;)

    Yes, I make extensive use of this and it was always a big annoyance on a Tivo. For me this feature trumps DLBs and wishlists all by itself. Very, very useful feature and use it several times a week.
  2. stiffi

    stiffi Legend

    Jul 13, 2006
    I don't think I know how to "add" time. I have noticed, that if you record the next show, you can continue to fast forward past the end time until your original event is over, as if it was 1 long show. I always thought that was pretty cool.
  3. mrb

    mrb Legend

    Sep 14, 2006
    Could you not just manual record from like 7pm to 905pm to capture both shows? You would then have a 2:05 hour recording which contains both shows, and you don't have to worry about padding.

    What am I missing here?
  4. lucky13

    lucky13 New Member

    Nov 27, 2006
    If you are going to watch both shows right away, that would work.
    If you're behind a few episodes, or want to save them, the shows won't be in the right groups.
    If you want to watch one now and one later, you're tying up disk space until you watch both.
  5. Duffinator

    Duffinator Legend

    Oct 24, 2006
    I did not know this and thanks for pointing it out. I ran into this problem many times on the HR10.
  6. NYHeel

    NYHeel Godfather

    Aug 21, 2006
    I agree that this feature is useful, especially for Sunday nights after football. However, the Tivo solution still helps when you're recording things on different channels and with actually scheduled anomalys.

    For example, show A is on from 9:00 to 10:01 on Channel 1. Shows B and C are on from 10:00 to 11:00 on Channels 2 and 3. With the Hr20 one of those shows is going to be missed in its entirety. The Tivo solution would just skip 1 minute of one of the 3 shows.

    It would be great if we could get both the Tivo's overlap protection and the Hr20's one channel one tuner thing.
  7. Chuck584

    Chuck584 AllStar

    Apr 17, 2007
    This feature is terrific, especially for SciFi Channel. I noticed it the first weekend when the two SciFi shows were recorded back-to-back, complete with padding while the other tuner recorded Ghost Whisper.

    With my TiVos, I had to set Ghost Whispere higher on the Season Pass list, which forced recording of the second, later showing on SciFi.

    I'm nagging TiVo to include this.
  8. tiger2005

    tiger2005 Godfather

    Sep 22, 2006
    Very neat indeed.
  9. HarleyD

    HarleyD Hall Of Fame

    Aug 31, 2006
    What you're missing is how it manages incidental overlap when network schedules get moved around and it does unforseen things with your series links.

    Like when the network juggles shows around. One day you unexpectedly end up with two episodes of 'House' airing in a row and you have the 'House' series link padded by 2 minutes. You didn't plan on it running back to back and you're essentially asking it to record the same thing twice, simultaneously. The software just "manages" the conflict and places the overlapping portion of the video stream into both recorded episodes.
  10. bto4wd

    bto4wd Duplicate User (Account Closed)

    Apr 17, 2007
    As soon as D* adds automatic softpadding to the HR20 much of the need for manual padding should be eliminated.
  11. armophob

    armophob Difficulty Concen........

    Nov 13, 2006
    Fort Pierce, FL
    This will help me from losing my moment of zen on the DS.
  12. boltjames

    boltjames Icon

    Sep 3, 2006
    So this is SLB?

  13. MercurialIN

    MercurialIN Hall Of Fame

    Jul 17, 2006
    Thanks for letting me know about that feature. I didn't know it was there. I will definitely start using it.
  14. Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    No, not really. SLB is Single Live Buffer--only one of the two tuners is buffered and can be paused, rewound, fast forwarded, or have other trickplay functions performed. Dual Live Buffers allows you to switch between the two tuners and perform trickplay on both tuners (which ever is active at the moment.)

  15. tgater

    tgater Godfather

    Jul 24, 2007
    "Comedy Central Presents" ch.249 may run some shows 5 minutes late. This drives me nuts, so rather than call CC and complain I need to call D* and have them hook me up with another HR20.
  16. Thaedron

    Thaedron Hall Of Fame

    Jun 29, 2007
    That's awesome! When NBC had a Thursday night schedule that we were interested in most of, this would have been tremendously useful.

    I'll definitely make use of this when the fall TV schedule starts up. Thanks for pointing it out Earl.
  17. bto4wd

    bto4wd Duplicate User (Account Closed)

    Apr 17, 2007
    Does everyone realize that using the this practice could eventually bite you in the butt when shows are rescheduled (moved to different time zones and days)?

    I'd rather not code hard padding into any show as you could start loosing other shows due to conflicts when they don't follow one another. I'd rather have D* fix the HR20 so it starts and stops recording shows just as my Tivos do.

    Sure, there are always shows that go over, but if you get into the habit of padding everything simply because the HR20 can't tell time you will eventually get hit.
  18. Vor

    Vor Mentor

    Jul 5, 2007
    I knew you'd get the pad for both shows (Heroes/Studio 60 combo), but I didn't realize that it was only using one tuner to do it.
  19. Earl Bonovich

    Earl Bonovich Lifetime Achiever

    Nov 15, 2005
    This isn't intended, nor pushed... to be a fix for the HR20's drifting start/stop time.

    A LOT of the broadcast networks don't honor their own stated time...
    And one of the biggest problems of that, with a DVR... is that if you try to account for the very frequent ones... you could cause you to miss an entire show because of it.

    SCI-FI Friday has been like that for a LONG time... and even the TiVo that stopped and started EXACTLY on their clock, clipped the start and end of those shows.

    Same with NBC, and others...

    And yes... it could cause some issues if the shows are rescheduled.... and that is why that you should always keep some tabs on your shows.... as that reschedule could end up causing you another conflict (even if you don't have any type of extra padding).
  20. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '07

    Jan 21, 2003
    Earl pretty much hit all the points here and I'll give specific examples.

    SciFi channel on Fridays. 8-11 I'd record all three shows: SG1, Atlantis and BSG. Problem is that SciFi would start the programs as much as 2 minutes early or end them up to 2 minutes late. And it would be *different* every week. So I always padded 5 minutes before and after on each show if I could. For years on my Tivo by doing this it will use up both tuners and I couldn't record anything else. So when Numbers or Monk come along and I now want to record them also on Friday night I've got to do a lot of juggling including trying to snag a later showing on SciFi. I ended up using a 2nd Tivo to snag one of the programs. Basically a big mess.

    Now on the HR20 all 3 programs on SciFi with the overlapping padding will only take up 1 tuner, leaving the 2nd tuner free to record anything else (Numbers, Hockey game, whatever).

    The other classic example as Earl mentioned was Heroes. NBC would actually have the guide data go over 1-2 minutes but even that wasn't enough cause it would still run over. One night it ran over nearly 3 minutes beyond the end time in the guide data (and much gnashing of teeth there was on the Tivo forum about it). So you *have* to pad an extra 5 minutes to the end of Heroes or you're toast. But if you also record Studio 60 after it now on a Tivo you just burned both your tuners. But on the HR20 it will again just use the one tuner while your 2nd tuner is free to record something else.

    This is a great feature if you're shows run late or start early because the networks are retards.
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