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Ongoing issues with D* and green pixelation is driving me insane!!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Nuance, Apr 10, 2008.

  1. Apr 12, 2008 #81 of 316
    K4SMX

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    That's sort of inconclusive. I was hoping you might have a bunch of low numbers. If you have a multi-switch, V.O.S.'s ""stack plan disassembly method" is definitive.
     
  2. Apr 12, 2008 #82 of 316
    houskamp

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    +1... think I said that why back in this thread...:sure:
    Seems IIRC that when a storm comes thru here the blocking is black.. It's green when the source has blips in it..
     
  3. Apr 12, 2008 #83 of 316
    kude

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    I don't know why the experts keep dismissing the obvious. There is an object in the line of sight, I count 5 wires in Nuance's picture.

    If moisture is required, moisture does condense on metal in the cool of the evenings, when Nuance noticed pixelation. Copper is metal. However I just contend it's a simple blockage or defelection of signal.

    I get green and black pixelation during rain and storm events.

    I'll concede a broadcast defect may or may not exist. If this is true, there is nothing to do but complain.

    I would move the dish so that not even the wires are in the line of sight. But I'm no expert.
     
  4. Apr 12, 2008 #84 of 316
    veryoldschool

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    The "obvious" is the fact that the signal levels are high enough to DISMISS any obstructions.
    It doesn't take an expert to know if there was a blockage, when the levels would show it. DUH
     
  5. Apr 12, 2008 #85 of 316
    Nuance

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    Wow...lots of activity since this morning.

    So, from what I've gathered I have two options left:

    One: get D* to relocate the dish.
    Two: Continuously contact the local affiliates and request that the equipment be replaced (by D*??), as is what happened in WA.

    Is that correct?

    As far as moving the dish, I can have them put it higher up on the incline so it points up at a higher angle, thus shooting over the lines. Otherwise, relocating it to the south west side of the house would probably cause the tree to sway in front of the dish occasionally, which is why the dish was put where it is now. And even if this is done, it seems the dish would still be pointing at the power lines. In lieu of this, would you guys say the best position is at the same point but higher up on the incline? Do you need more pics?
     
  6. Apr 12, 2008 #86 of 316
    K4SMX

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    One word for you: OTA. Get on the list at an on-line vendor for an AM21 OTA receiver add-on for your HR21 when they become available, get an OTA antenna, and be done with this problem.
     
  7. Apr 12, 2008 #87 of 316
    Nuance

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    I do have an OTA antenna, but I cannot record those stations. When the AM21 comes out, I am all over it. I am still going to have D* relocate the dish, though...I think.

    So you think I'd be able to get D* to give me an AM21 for free since I've had to deal with all these issues?
     
  8. Apr 12, 2008 #88 of 316
    RobertE

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    Good idea. With everything being replaced at least once, you've pretty much ruled out any factors that you have control over. So, nothing to lose really by moving the dish. I still say its the power lines causing the interfence in some way. Maybe they are under a heavier load at certain times of the day or something. :confused:
     
  9. Apr 12, 2008 #89 of 316
    RobertE

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    These quotes seem to fit the situation well:

    and

     
  10. Apr 12, 2008 #90 of 316
    veryoldschool

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    I still need to see signal loss, like you had with your meter and the romex to become "a believer". :)
     
  11. Apr 12, 2008 #91 of 316
    K4SMX

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    AC power line interference from signal blockage is not the issue here, as shown by the signal strengths. We can not, however, completely eliminate RFI "noise" from those power lines, because it wouldn't effect the signal strengths.

    For reasons stated earlier having to do with the apparent lack of such interference to the Ka lo signals on 103(c), I think it is probably unlikely that the lines are causing interference to the Ka hi signals on 103(s) and that the problem is most likely the DirecTV HD local signals themselves as re-broadcast, as was the case in Washington.

    By all means, if they'll move your dish for free, and there is a suitable LOS location, do it, so we can perhaps put the power line issue aside. You're still going to be close, relatively speaking, but maybe the new location would be shooting over it.

    If you can talk DirecTV into sending you an AM21 for free because of this problem, I'd be pleasantly surprised, since it would set a precedent which could wind up being rather expensive for them. :)
     
  12. Apr 12, 2008 #92 of 316
    RobertE

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    I hear ya. I wouldn't have believed that the romex could make as big of a difference as it did considering the size of both the cable & dish and where it was located.

    Just saying if everything has been replaced at least once dish to receiver, the only thing left are enviromental factors. Be it power or some sort of random periodic RF interferance.

    Just one nasty stubborn gremlin.
     
  13. Apr 12, 2008 #93 of 316
    Nuance

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    Oh, I found the ground for my electric, phones and water, so we can rule those out because everything is good.

    Thanks so much for all the help guys! You rock!
     
  14. Apr 12, 2008 #94 of 316
    veryoldschool

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    I resemble that. :lol:
     
  15. Apr 12, 2008 #95 of 316
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    Do whatever you need to do to "prove" to yourself all has been done on your end.
    Record your wife's shows on the SD feed for the time being.
    When all is said and done, I think you'll have found this was so hard to fix because you were trying to "fix it" in the wrong place [not your end but the local uplink center].
     
  16. Apr 13, 2008 #96 of 316
    kude

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    The DUH is uncalled for. I buy that the the meter is reading 99 at time of installation and its a fair assessment of signal strength. But we are talking picture quality. Why is it inconceivable to you that, nevertheless, the obstructions may have an impact periodically on picture quality. What are the meter readings while the pixelation occurs or at night? The physical characteristics of the various lines could change during the day and into night. When the dewpoint hits there may be enough moisture on the lines to act tree like in interference or the copper material contracts enough to reposition the lines across the areas of the dish with negative affect. Or wind shifts. So on and so on. But it's no sense going on and on guessing about it.

    Some people keep saying impossible when anything is possible.

    I concede it could be the distribution issue.

    Nuance has done just about everything he can to alleviate the problem. It can't hurt moving the dish, and if that doesn't work I am truly sorry that doesn't help you solve your problem.
     
  17. Apr 13, 2008 #97 of 316
    Nuance

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    Its cool guys...I didn't mean for this to start an argument.

    I am going to have D* move the dish and see how that works out. Also, today I am buying that power conditioner/Surge Protector as well as unplugging that APC1500. We'll see what that does.

    If none of the above helps, I'll start sending lettings and starting a "petition" type thread concerning Ozaukee County in Wisconsin.

    Thanks for all your help guys! You've certainly helped me narrow a lot of things down.
     
  18. Apr 13, 2008 #98 of 316
    hdtvfan0001

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    If the Dish move doesn't cure your woes....perhaps a receiver replacement is in order. In any case, we're rooting for this to work, as it should work just fine in your location. Go Pack.
     
  19. Apr 13, 2008 #99 of 316
    veryoldschool

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    While it may have been pushing it, your "I don't know why the experts keep dismissing the obvious." and "But I'm no expert." kind of called for it.
    While "anything is possible", this also needs to have some base in reality [or at least physics] since this isn't magic.
     
  20. veryoldschool

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    This was one of the first things done. :)
     

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