For Dish equipment pricing, you can get a good start right on Amazon. The nearest equivalent to Orby's non-DVR STB would be the $65 Wally. But the Wally can be converted to a DVR by simply plugging in a USB hard drive and paying a one time $40 fee. Paired with an $85 Dish 1000.2 DPP or DPH dish, the Wally gets two sat tuners, and an optional USB module adds two OTA tuners. The $38 Flex Pack has 50+ channels, and the sat locals pack only adds $12/mo., something that Orby doesn't offer at all. There's no "scam" involved, just different packaging of different products.