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OTA and AM21N Question

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Bevostein, Sep 2, 2013.

  1. Gary16

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    Ill have to try that. I also have an Hr20 with the builtin OTA tuner and it reacted the same way as the am21 as far as not clearing out the channels using "reset settings".
     
  2. Gary16

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    Do you disconnect the AM21 from the dvr before rebooting or do you just pull the power from the AM21 which also kills the dvr power?
     
  3. coconut13

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    I just pull the power cord that is piggy-backed for the DVR/AM21.
     
  4. coconut13

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    This statement might be a little vague (sorry). What I really mean is that I pull the power cord that goes to the wall outlet from the DVR. The AM21 is hooked to the DVR with its own cable. So both units are powered by the one plug.
     
  5. Gary16

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    What I did was pull the plug from the back of the AM21 since it was easier to get to that. It turned both units off. I have to do it a couple more times because even after the power off and only downloading my main market, it still retained the 8.2 from the secondary zip and 43.2 which replaced my local 43.2!
     
  6. CCarncross

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    You have to do a complete reset antenna settings , or redo antenna setup...somewhere there is a reset defaults for the antenna setup. Just re-running the setup doesn't always clear it out.
     
  7. coconut13

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    Another thing I've done in the past is make sure the 2 zip codes you have stored in the unit are what you want. In your case 44115 and 61265. Because even when you do anykind of re-boot, it can still go back to the 2 zips stored in your DVR info screen. So make sure you have these 2 zips when the machine re-boots. It should give you all your channels from your home market, eventually. See, its very time consuming, and sometimes unpredictable on what results you will get. Good luck, and I hope you can get what you want.
     
  8. coconut13

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    I would agree with this assessment. Sometimes things will clear before this measure becomes necessary.
     
  9. Gary16

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    The "reset settings" option under antenna setup says it's supposed to clear things for when you move, but it doesn't. When I click on "reset settings" it does clear out the local channels, but then when I hit "initial setup" the previous zip codes still appear -- the "enter zip code" field is not blank.
     
  10. coconut13

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    This is the procedure I would try, with the info I know about your situation. Do an intial set-up of the AM21 with 44115 as primary and 61265 as your secondary zip. This probably won't change much but it puts those 2 zips as your stored zips. Then unplug the DVR/AM21 and let it re-boot. Check things, to see what you have, but I would do another unplugging re-boot. Then you shoud be able to put 44115 and 61265 in your AM21. Then on the 2nd run do 44115 and Jackson MS zip. This should be pretty close to what you need to do. Hope it works for you. The "enter zip code field" doesn't mean that it hasn't cleared, you can just type a new zip in the boxes anyway.
     
  11. dlleno

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    ok I'm stumped. I've been experimenting with the spreadsheet and my AM21/HR24, trying to coax my system into receiving THIS TV network on local channel 12-3 which utilizes RF channel 13. What I've learned is that apparently the guide info comes from the network, not from the OTA signal -- because I was able to find a secondary market zip code that gives me the local 12-3 content but the guide is wrong.

    Is the goal to find a market broadcasting THIS network on some RF channel 13? A related question is this; someone please explain the relationship between the RF channel and the digital sub channel that appears. for example, how can a channel be broadcast within RF channel 13 and yet appear as channel 12-3?

    wishing for a secondary market suggested zip pls :) ... I'm trying Rapid City, SD now,where channel 12-3 operates on RF channel 13. The station is "independant" but I have no indication that they are broadcasting THIS TV on that channel.

    Update on Edit: I've confirmed that Rapid City 12-3 is not THIS network. I can coax my AM21 to bring in the channel, but the guide information is all wrong. How do I find a secondary market zip code that puts THIS content on channel 13?
     
  12. slice1900

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    With digital, the channel number (12.3, 9.1, 47.4) has nothing to do with the RF channel number. The information on the apparent channel number is encoded in PSIP. This is mainly so stations that people have always identified as "channel 5" didn't have to get everyone used to them being channel 47 when they switched to digital.

    This also helps if they ever need to switch again in the future. For example, the FCC is trying to get channel 51 vacated because of interference on the lower LTE bands, so my local channel 2 which switched to 51 when they went digital is planning on switching again. Aside from OTA users needing to do a channel scan, few will ever hear about this, since they're "channel 2" to everyone.

    No idea how you're going to find a 12-3 that is THIS which Directv carries somewhere. There may not be any. The guide data is downloaded from the satellite, not the network, but only for a subset of stations in most markets. If you add a secondary that has THIS on some other channel, at least you'd have to guide data to see what's on. Or you can look it up online.
     
  13. coconut13

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    By looking at things you must be looking for Boise Idaho's 12.3. Your in luck Greenville NC (27833) runs THIS on 12.3. By running Greenvilles zip as your secondary zip it will give you Greenvilles WCTI 12.3 with that guide. You might have to clear your AM21 if you already have a 12.3 channel established. It will work if your AM21 is clear of a 12.3 channel. You just have to match EITHER the actual channel number (12.3) or the .3 subchannel RF13, you don't have to match both. In your case Greenville should give you 12.3 with Greenvilles guide for that channel.
     
  14. dlleno

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    Eureka! bingo that one works. at least for 12-3... but it messes up 7-2 and 2-2 now, with the wrong guide information. I'm going to repeat the setup process again but this time let the system percolate without a secondary market first. then come back in after another reset and add the secondary.
     
  15. coconut13

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    In my situation it never messes up channels that are in D* database for my home zip. That's kind of unique that it did that. What usually happens to me is that I get two channels, the right one from my home zip and the other channel from the secondary zip. I then just weed out the unwanted channels, with my favorites lists. Hope you have luck in configuring your set-up to get things the way you would like them.
     
  16. dlleno

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    yea I suspect that the reason 7-2 (and 2-2, and 9-2, and 35-1) get clobbered is that this one is also a match of the RF and sub channel? any other zipcode suggestions (how did you find out that THIS was broadcast on 12-3 in greenville)? lol THIS isn't THAT important :D :D .

    also -- is it possible that this clobering behavior is an HR24 ism? it happens both on my /200 and my /500.
     
  17. coconut13

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    In my situation, channels from my home market are never overidden by channels from a secondary zip, if there are identical channels. Meaning that your Boise channels should remain in your guide even though you have those channels present in your secondary zip. I either get a duplicate 2-2, 7-2 etc. or nothing. If I remember right Greenville would be your only way to get 12.3, with the right guide. I don't believe the sat. receiver has anything to say how the AM21 acts.
     
  18. dlleno

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    Abilene, TX it turns out has THIS on 12-3, and doesn't have any channel 7s to clobber, so I picked a nearby zip code like 76464 which does the trick.
     
  19. coconut13

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    I did see that Abilene does/did carry THIS on 12.3. According to some of the information I see, that station is switching to covering METV on 12.3 very soon. Didn't want to give you bad info, as I don't know for sure which station is actually being carried on that channel.
     
  20. dlleno

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    Im not surprised, really. these kinds of networks and the various independant stations that carry them, are a moving target. when Abilene stops broadcasting THIS, or my local 12-3 does the same I'll have to repeate the effort! as I say,,,THIS isn't THAT important lol
     

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