OTA Antenna recommendations?

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  1. slice1900

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    Some tuners are better able to handle an overly strong signal than others. Are there any hills or buildings that may reflect those signals and lead to multi path? One would assume the LCC handles multipath better than the AM21 since it is newer. But multipath is usually a constant problem, not something that comes and goes.
     
  2. 242424

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    If you get that to work on your HR-24 be sure to post back saying you did. :)
     
  3. JerryMeeker

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    Unfortunately, I found out today that the LCC is not compatible with the HR24 DVR.
     
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  4. JerryMeeker

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    LLC installation a disaster and complete frustration

    I received the free LCC today. The purpose of this post is to share my installation experience. The LCC consists of a small device about the size of a Pez dispenser (the LCC itself), a flexible, flat “mouse pad” antenna with slim, flexible coax, and a couple of power adapters (one for the antenna and one for the LCC).

    First, I tried it on my HR54. I temporarily taped the antenna to an external window, plugged the power adapters in, and inserted the LCC’s USB plug into the back of the HR54. I immediately received an on-screen message informing me that a LCC had been detected, with a link to the setup. Setup involved entering my Zip code (for directory information), and a scan for OTA channels. Once this was completed, I was able to edit the detected off-air channels, Nd view signal strength. But there was a major issue: both the local ABC and NBC signals were missing. Recall, the purpose of me getting the LCC is to receive the OTA NBC signal, which is blocked because of the Nexstar dispute. Signal strengths for the channels that were in the list were 80-100%.

    So, I decided to try installing the LLC on my HR24 to see if I could get different results. No luck—the LCC is not compatible with the HR24, as confirmed by DTV support.

    While I was in the bedroom, I decided to try the LCC “mousepad” antenna on the AM21 to see if reception was better than with my outside antenna. Perhaps a weaker signal would be more stable. No luck—the antenna worked, but I continued to get signal break-up. So maybe the AM21 is the real issue.

    Now, back to the HR54. What if I tried the outside antenna with the LCC? Maybe the missing ABC and NBC signals were a signal strength issue. So I hooked up the outside antenna to the LCC and re-ran the antenna setup. This time, NO signals were detected. I)W, looks like the outside antenna is not compatible with the LCC.

    So, I tweaked the position of the “mousepad” antenna and re-ran the LCC setup once again. This time, the setup detected only ONE OTA signal. WTF? There is a “Reset Settings” in the antenna setup. I ran this option, then re-ran the antenna setup, and still only ONE signal.

    I have admitted defeat. Any suggestions would be welcome.
     
  5. cypherx

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    Are the channels you can’t get on VHF frequencies? In our market ABC is on VHF-Lo RF channel 6. It’s difficult to get - impossible really with one of those smaller antennas. You need something with large elements for VHF, usually 5 to 15 foot long antenna depending on distance.
     
  6. JerryMeeker

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    Well, I have an AM21 connected to the bedroom HR24, and it detects every digital channel in the Austin area. And remember, the LCC discovered a number of channels the first time it was set up, except for ABC and NBC, and on subsequent setup attempts was unable to match the original list. Perhaps I have a defective LCC. I noticed that it gets extremely hot to the touch.
     
  7. Athlon646464

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    Yup - they run hot for sure.

    Some here have reported they've re-run their LCC setup several times before having success. It's not ready for prime time for sure. (I've given up on it and moved to a Tablo setup.)

    Try hooking that flat antenna directly to your TV's tuner to see what it can receive for you - then you'll know for sure it's the LCC's tuner that is the issue.
     
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  8. JerryMeeker

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    Good idea. I did this and verified that the flat antenna is working. Unfortunately, my TV does not have a signal strength meter, so I don’t know whether the flat antenna signal is very strong.

    I tried the setup again today by following these steps:

    1. Clicked on the “Reset settings" to start with a clean slate.
    2. Re-ran the antenna setup.
    3. Observed the detected channels. It only detected PBS and CBS. Missing were FOX, ABC, NBC and the CW.

    The upstairs AM21 (connected to an outside antenna) clearly detects ABC (24-1) and NBC (36-1), as well as the other channels in the Austin area.

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    The LCC on the HR54 is clearly missing these channels. Also, note that it discovered a signal from station 31, which is not on the AM21. Wonder what this station is?

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    I am done with messing with the LCC. My only remaining decision is whether to throw it up on a shelf, or toss it in the trash. Very disappointing.
     
  9. Athlon646464

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    That's too bad, and very frustrating. Mine is in my box labeled 'old video stuff' in my basement. I'm keeping it just in case, but not using it. Loving our Tablo so far.
     
  10. JerryMeeker

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    Do you have the Dual Lite or the Quad?
     
  11. Athlon646464

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    The Dual Lite. I saw no reason for the two of us to have more than one tuner. We're not hoarders - we watch and delete.

    The main reason for getting it was to protect against these disputes, and so my wife can record her soap, Judge Judy and Big Brother (all CBS). Now I've found some stuff on some of the sub-channels I haven't seen in a long time and have been recording them too.

    We're also protected if this drags on into the NFL season.

    The commercial skip feature is still in beta, but works very well when it works. (Not all shows qualify for that yet.)

    I got a 2TB WD Elements HDD for it - well more than enough storage for us.

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    I had an issue with the HDD, but not knowing it was the HDD I called Tablo yesterday. After about 5 minutes on hold an English speaking guy came on the line to diagnose and fix the issue from his end. He was great. Btw, I said English, but they are a Canadian company, so although I could tell he was a geek, he sounded like a geek who plays hockey lol.

    Anyway - their tech support is excellent. He was able to log into my Tablo to check it out and repair the HDD issue. Absolutely no issues with the tuners on the Tablo.
     
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  12. slice1900

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    According to rabbitears, channel 31 is a slightly lower power Unimas/Univision station in Austin. It is about 75' feet lower on the same tower as the higher power channel 36 you can't get, so who knows what is going on for you.
     
  13. JerryMeeker

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    Yes, crazy. Not worth any more effort to troubleshoot. I’ll live with the occasional video glitches on the AM21 for now, and maybe consider the Tablo if I start watching more OTA stuff.
     
  14. Soulweeper

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    I did this, and they recommended the Antop AT-400. I may try this, as the Winegard one they sent, sometimes does the job, but half the time it doesn't, so I'm assuming something a little more powerful will do the trick, correct?
    Also....will this just plug into the coaxial port on the Winegard setup, and simply replace the antenna portion of that setup? Hope I asked that the right way. :)
     
  15. cypherx

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    I asked around about that Antop model as well (also what the site recommended to me). But some experts scoffed at that choice. People are recommending the Masterpiece 60 because of a VHF-LO station in our market. I don’t want a full size antenna .
     
  16. Soulweeper

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    I just want CBS. Need Colbert, haha. But yeah, sometimes I get it with the winegard, sometimes I don't. Hoping the Antop would be the extra I'd need.
     
  17. Athlon646464

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    If you are on the edge of the signal with the mousepad antenna by Winegard as you claim, the Antop should do it for you. If you are unsure, see if you can buy it from a place you can return it to if it doesn't work in your location.

    And yes, just plug the Antop into the LCC instead of the Winegard. The only thing you might need is some cable (not sure if any comes with that antenna). Be sure to get RG6 if you need some.
     
  18. Soulweeper

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    Thanks. Yeah, it comes with a 40' cable. I can make a longer one, if needed, to put it in an optimal place, but actually hoping it will suffice, just being inside.
    My understanding is, the Antop AT-400 isn't amplified, and the AT-400B is, so I have to assume the 400B would be even better, yes?
     
  19. Athlon646464

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    Yes, and here's why:

    The 400B will NOT receive more channels than the 400. What it will do is reduce signal loss from the antenna to your LCC. It kinda helps the signal along your cable. The pre-amp will allow a longer run of good quality cable and help mitigate the loss if you 'make' a longer cable.
     
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  20. Soulweeper

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    Ok gotcha. Thanks! Sort of what I figured. Still hoping it does the job just inside the house, as the winegard almost does. The 400b isn't much more money either.
     

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