OTA Channel Guide Issues

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Herdfan, Jul 24, 2008.

  1. KyL416

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    RabbitEars is a list of all the OTA stations in general, it has nothing to do with what DirecTV has in their database. You can see the current database in the OTA tab on the transponder maps:
    http://www.dbstalk.com/topic/200951-transponder-maps-domestic-latinam-data-refresh-1113013/

    As for those specific stations, both of them are in the database. Looking at the list for St. Louis, DirecTV is missing 2-2 Antenna TV, 4-3 Live Well, 30-3 Zuus Country. They're also missing all the low power stations, although outside of PunchTV on 7-4 and the 3ABN channels on 25-x, DirecTV has the national feeds for the programming carried on them (HSN, QVC and SonLife)
     
  2. coconut13

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    In these forums look for Transponder Maps: Domestic & LatinAm Data Refresh 11/13/2013. When there go to the bottom of the page and look for the attached file TPN_Map_Domestic_131113.xisx. Open the attached file and at the bottom of the page click on the OTA tab. This is D* database for the AM21. If you click on the LIL Markets tab it shows you all the DMA's and there numbers to cross reference with the OTA tab. It looks like the ST Louis DMA is numbered 693 in the network column on the OTA tab page. There are 17 channels listed in the ST Louis DMA and remember you have to have an antenna that picks up the signal on any or all of those channels for the AM21 to work. You may also be able to pick up some of the channels not in the database by using a secondary zip code on the AM21.
     
  3. T40T

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    Thank you, KyL416 and coconut13. I've been on that thread, and did not see the attachments.
     
  4. coconut13

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    I just did some checking. You would be able to get 2.2 AntennaTV with the correct guide by using Reno NV as a secondary zip. You would be able to get 4.3 Live Well with the correct guide by using Milwaukee WI as a secondary zip. You also can get 30.3 ZUUS, but can't get the correct guide by using 1 of many different zips.
     
  5. coconut13

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    You do need the Microsoft Excel Viewer downloaded in your computer. It is a free download.
     
  6. jacinkcmo

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    Thanks for the tip. I was able to use Oklahoma City as a secondary zip to get 4.2 here in Kansas City for Antenna TV. Oh for the days when the Genie would let the AM21 scan for channels!
     
  7. coconut13

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    That is with the correct guide too. You can also get 38.2 BOUNCE by using Detroit MI (48201). Run your intial set-up again with KC and 48201 as your secondary zip and you should get 38.2 BOUNCE. It will not have the correct guide, and I checked and there is no way to get the correct guide, but you can at least pick-up the channel.
     
  8. itzme

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    In Cincinnati, I seem to have lost WCPO ch9 and WKRC ch12. Does anyone know if there's an initial setup zip and/or secondary that will get them back for me? As gravy I'd love to add the Dayton stations that my antenna sometimes gets from my TV.
     
  9. coconut13

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    Is this with an AM21? The database has 9.1,9.2,12.1, and 12.2 in the database for Cinn. So programming with your Cinn. zip should give you those stations if your antenna is receving a signal for those stations. Also for Dayton OH the database has 19 stations listed. You should receive any or all of the 19 if your antenna can pick-up the signal for any given station. You would have to use Dayton OH as a secondary zip to accomplish this. Remember this. The AM21 will only pick-up stations that are being received at the time of the set-up. If your stations are in and out reception wise it won't pick-up any station not being received at the time it looks for the channels.
     
  10. itzme

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    Yes, my problems are setting up the AM21 to get as many as the same channels that I'm getting when I use just the TV as the input from my rooftop antenna. The TV gets all of the Cincinnati stations and many of Dayton's. My latest attempt with the AM21 is my northern ky zip, 41011 which indicates as Nky and Cincy, and 45402 in Dayton. I don't think the AM21 will ever give me Dayton, and that's ok, but I really want to have those channels 9'and 12 for when there's rain fade. I first checked the channels on my tv, then ran the Antenna Setup from my HR44.
     
  11. coconut13

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    In my set-up I split the coaxial cable from my antenna right before the AM21 and TV. With a feed to each. My AM21 and TV tuner receive the signal about identical. So in your situation you should get all the channels your TV tuner is receving with your AM21. In the intial set-up on the AM21 I would run 45201 as primary and 45402 as secondary. This should give you all the channels in D* database for both Cinn. and Dayton that your antenna is receiving at the time of the scan. If not your AM21 is not receiving the signal as well as your TV tuner, in which case there are many things you can try to do to get a better signal to your AM21. I do have an AM21n in my set-up, but that shouldn't matter as most people say the AM21 and AM21n receive signals the same. Good luck in trying to receive your channels. You do have to have a direct antenna feed to the AM21.
     
  12. itzme

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    Yep, I'm configured the same way with my AM21. All the OTA channels Do show up in my guide, but I get a 721 error when I tune to them. I just ran the Signal Meter from the Hr44 and it shows those 2 channels as a weak 25 percent. It's a strong signal to my TV. I'd suspect that maybe I have a line problem to the Am21, but for the fact that I got those channels on the Am21 before, just not after the recent fw update, x797.
     
  13. coconut13

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    Sometimes after a software update I need to do a double re-boot to get my AM21 to act the same way. I,ve found by un-plugging the system and letting it re-boot and then un-plugging again with-in 30 minutes (basically I do it right away) clears everything out and then it seems to be okay. A RBR doesn't turn the AM21 off and that's why i do an un-plugging re-boot. A double re-boot does clear your whole guide for all satellite channels and it does take 24-48 hrs to fully re-load. But it always makes my AM21 perform better. I've had the same thing happen after a software update where certain channels on my AM21 would show an error of not receving a signal. I think a multi-path reception problem exists and a double re-boot seems to correct it for me.
     
  14. jacinkcmo

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    Several months ago DTV removed the "scan" feature of the AM21 when used with a Genie. Now it is like the other receivers and will only show what's in the database - and that is lacking several stations. Has this been added back????
     
  15. coconut13

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    No, the scan feature has not been added back. I don't think you can say the AM21 scans for channels, but you can pick-up channels that aren't in the database in your local DMA by matching either channel or RF channel. For instance: My local database doesn't have 5.3 RF45 in it. By matching up to a city in the database(by using a secondary zip code) that has a 5.3 channel or a .3 RF45 channel (it doesn't matter what channel number it is as long as its a .3 subchannel with RF45) the AM21 will pick up your local channel, if your antenna signal is strong enough to pick the channel up. It will have the guide info for whatever cities station you match up to, but you can view the channel. I don't know why D* hasn't simplfied this process, but it does work to get channels not in the database in your local DMA.
     
  16. jacinkcmo

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    Yes, i was able to add one this way. But since I can only have one secondary zipcode, I have to choose which non-database station I want the most.
     
  17. inkahauts

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    Or you need to surf through all the lil markets and find which market has all your channels you are after. You'd think at least one would.
     
  18. coconut13

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    You can use more than 1 secondary zip. I use 6. Just keep running the intial set-up on the AM21 over and over with your primary zip and any secondary zip you need to add channels you desire. Once a channel is established it will remain. I don't know why, but it works on my system to get channels not in the database for me. It can be a time consuming process, as each cycle takes 5-10 minutes to complete, but it does work. Another hassle with this process is you have to re-do it whenever you have a re-boot.The AM21 will only pick-up the channels of the 2 zip codes stored in the DVR at the time of the re-boot, hence you have to run the process over and over to get some channels back.
     
  19. jacinkcmo

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    Really? I'll give that a try today - thanks!!
     
  20. levibluewa

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    SEATTLE DMA: Has anyone else noticed that KWPX (ION 33.1) is showing up at 10.1 ... thanks!
     

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