OTA Channel Guide Issues

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  1. dod1450

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    That is fine. Your average viewers have no idea who is class A or what. All they know is what is being broadcasting on their television.

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  2. KyL416

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    You made an assumption on why a specific station wasn't included in the OTA database, you were given the actual reason, along with further proof and a specific example of why your guess of virtual channel 1 wasn't the reason for them skipping the station.

    You can continue to constantly second guess the information provided by myself and the others who spent years extracting and analyzing this data from the guide data stream to produce the maps all you want, and complain if you don't like the answer, but what the average viewer knows about has nothing to with this. The average viewer also didn't know about the 65535 limit or what a TMS stationId is, that doesn't change the fact that's why until last year we haven't seen any new OTA stations added since 2009 when the stationId values hit that 65535 limit. We're now getting additions because they started applying the workaround to OTA stations that they were already using for satellite stations with stationId values higher than that limit. The average viewer also doesn't even know that the AM21 exists since DirecTV never actively marketed it, even most installers have no idea what it is when they encounter it in the field. Unless someone happened to scroll past the remotes and cinema connection kit on the order accessories page prior to it being discontinued, or visited forums or blogs discussing it, they probaby never heard of it.


    This is not an easy process which is why it usually takes a month or longer between each wave of additions. They have to find gaps below 65535 for every subchannel that launched since 2009 by the, as of today, 1755 US full power stations and a bunch of Mexican border stations in some Texas and California markets, on top of all the satellite channels with higher stationIds, and leave room for future launches, without creating a conflict with existing stationIds below 65535 in Gracenote's North American dataset, even if DirecTV doesn't carry the conflicting channel. And they already have had some conflicts as a result, like WPHLDT7 in Philly frequently reverting to the listings of Rivière-du-Loup's TVA affiliate and WACPDT6 reverting to the listings for Telehit, along with a LA station reverting back to the listing for the Guam delay of TBS and another LA station reverting back to the listings for the analog/SD feed of DC's Telemundo affiliate.
     
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  3. twiseguy

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    I've noticed that the recently updated Cleveland listings are incorrect.
    WJW 8.3 (Comet) and 8.4 (Charge) often lists whatever is on FSNCinci, and WQHS 61.4 often lists Canadian programming from where I do not know. Kind of odd considering the other subchannels (8.1,2 & 61.1,2,3) are correctly listed.
     
  4. KyL416

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    That's because they incorrectly gave WJWDT3 the stationId for the Bowling Green edit of FSN Ohio, WJWDT4 the stationId for the Dayton edit of FSN Ohio and WQHSDT4 the stationId for Global Montreal.

    Those other subchannels working correctly already had stationIds below 65535, so they won't be affected by fake stationId conflicts.
     
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  5. ejbvt

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    I wish they would "accidentally" add CBC Montreal to the database. If Mexican stations get added why not Canadian?
     
  6. millertime

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    Does anyone know what channels were added to South Bend? I receive S. Bend locals and see no change. I also receive Kalamazoo locals and I do see additions there.
    Thanks
     
  7. dod1450

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    Did you do a reset/rescan on your am 21 box?

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  8. KyL416

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    The screwups wouldn't help you unless they accidently gave the stationId for CBMT or CBMTDT to a station that also has virtual channel 6.1, which isn't going to happen since every full power station with a virtual 6.1 is already in the database, and at last check none of the OTA listings are using the stationIds for CBMT (10092) or CBMTDT (53502). The Mexican inclusions are because some Mexican border stations have affiliations with US networks. Because of CRTC regulations, Canadian stations can't affiliate with US networks.

    South Bend had the following added back in July:
    28.2 WSJVDT2 (Heroes & Icons)
    46.3 WHMEDT3 (Grit)
    46.4 WHMEDT4 (Laff)
    46.5 WHMEDT5 (LightTV)
    46.6 WHMEDT6 (HSN)
     
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  9. twiseguy

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    Don't know if Directv is going to add this or not, but yesterday WEWS Ch. 5 Cleveland lit up 5.4 to add on Court TV in a few weeks.
    Just a slate for now, but it is there nonetheless.
     
  10. millertime

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    Yes
     
  11. millertime

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    Thank you
     
  12. millertime

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    Now if we could just get them to update the channel logo for CBS Lol
    Probably never gonna happen
     
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  13. ejbvt

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    They can just accidentally think CBMT is a Vermont station and add it. A couple others come in, too. They are French, but why not? Same for the Toronto stations in Buffalo, Windsor in Detroit...

    Speaking of the CBS OTA logo, what is the deal with that? It's been Video Rola for years!
     
  14. P Smith

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    read back KyL416's posts with the story
     
  15. RxMan1

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    I hope this is the place to ask. I have an HR44 with AM21 hooked up. Recently I was having some OTA reception problems. I decided to do a OTA 'reset settings' I then setup up by my zip code which is 79423 Lubbock, TX. After the scan I am missing KCBD 11-1 and KJTV 34-1. NBC and Fox channels and sub-channels respectively. I have repeated this several times. Unplugged the AM21, performed resets of receiver etc...
    How does this guide information just disappear? I know the AM21 doesn't scan but I connected the antenna directly to TV and they come in fine.
    Those channels are simply gone from the guide.
    Help.
     
  16. P Smith

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    I would check latest Gary Toma Channels Map for an existence of the channel in DTV database.
     
  17. ejbvt

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    Thank you for not helping.
     
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  18. dod1450

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    I had a similar problem and it turn out that my antenna was pointing north, majority of the channels. The rest was south it was a blind spot for the back of antenna. I am only guessing that may be the for you.

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  19. P Smith

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    I recall he did post why the logo mashup before, and I was sure you can find it by yourself.
     
  20. dod1450

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    I am showing you all the OTA info from my AM-21. As you can see there are now 100 OTA channels that was scan and also you can see it does pick up virtual channel 1.2, it the only broadcast on channel 1.x.
     

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