OTA Channel Guide Issues

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  1. Aug 7, 2019 #821 of 881
    makaiguy

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    The two sets connected to different antennas in different locations/orientations? Any splitters involved?
     
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    They use the same database. As for why you aren't picking up those missing channels, I'll leave the advice to others.
     
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    Living room is HR54 with LCC with its own indoor antenna. Bedroom is HR24 with AM21 with its own separate indoor antenna (I have 2 antennas and only live a couple miles from the towers). Before I reset the HR24/AM21 combo, I got all the locals 12.x, 34.x (these stopped working after the 8/2 repack), 40.x and 46.x channels. After resetting and redoing the setup, I only got the 12.x and 40.x channels on the HR24/AM21. The AM21 doesn't scan for signals but instead gets populated by the D* OTA database, so regardless of signal strength all my locals should be listed. But the HR24/AM21 did have good signal strength for all 4 sets of channels and I didn't move it's antenna.

    I assumed they would use the same database so it's really strange that they don't have the same channels.
     
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    Assuming a very strong signal at each location - it's possible you are over-driving one of them. Try re-scanning in the early morning after adding a splitter to your antenna lead.
     
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    The problem is with the AM21, which doesn't scan for channels but rather just displays the channels D* has in their OTA for the entered ZIP. So even if the signal was too strong, the channels should still be listed in the list of available channels after completing the setup. At least this is how the AM21 used to work.
     
  6. Aug 9, 2019 #826 of 881
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    Yus... the AM21 and the LCC are supposed to use the same OTA database. That is weird. :confused:
     
  7. slice1900

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    They do. But during the "initial setup" each will do a scan and look for channels (both ones in the database and others it can see which aren't) and will only add those channels they actually find. If one has reception problems with certain station(s) then the list the two come up with will be different. Not the fault of the database, it is the fault of the tuners themselves (or their software, or the quality of signal your antenna is picking up, or whether you sacrificed a small mammal to the TV gods recently)
     
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    :eek:

    Well, I tried the mammal trick. Other than pissing off the neighbors, it didn't do anything for me. Should I have not done that at 5am?
     
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    Depends a lot on whose animal you sacrificed.
     
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    It was some random squirrel that was staring at my SlimLine. I coaxed it into chomping on some old RG56 I had laying around while it was connected to the magneto of my Model T. I thought for sure that's how you are supposed to do it.

    I would never use a domesticated animal for that.
     
  11. ejbvt

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    It does now. The AM21 will scan for, and display, channels not in the database if connected to HR44/HR54. If connected to a HR24, it only shows what is in the database.
     
  12. Indiana627

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    That’s what I thought. My AM21 is connected to my HR24 so it should just pull what’s in the database. I tried redoing the settings again this week but I’m still not getting my 34.x and 46.x channels even though they appear in the database.


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  13. ejbvt

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    This is not the first I have heard of this. On another forum, there is a user who just can't get a certain channel on his HR24. The HR54 he also has will display the channel without issue. It has been this way for years he said. When they started updating the database and everything, he tried again to no avail. The channel is in the database and has been the whole time. The subchannels work, but not the primary. The channel is WGBX (PBS) in Boston. The latest OTA repack phase has crated quite the clusterfudge for that channel and its sister - the 2 PBS and another station are broadcasting their xx.1 from RF 5 now and the subchannels are coming from another, so maybe his situation will get better. Have you always received these channels on your AM21 or where they just recently added? What are their call letters?
     
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    I always received these channels fine on my AM21 until just recently. WIVT (and its subchannels) moved from physical channel 34 to 27 on August 2 (but remains at virtual channel 34). As such I lost them on the AM21 and therefore did a reset and rescan. Ever since then none on the 34.x channels are listed on the AM21. I also lost all my 46.x channels (WSKG) even though they have not moved frequencies.


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    Lot's of folks who bought 'HDTV' antennas in the last 10 years or so may not have Lo VHF capability (real channel 5, WGBH 2.1). (No such thing as an 'HDTV' antenna, btw - don't get me going on that.)

    Lo VHF is prone to all sorts of interference, even if you have the correct antenna. Great reception during the day, and suddenly at night there's nothing.

    I read an interesting case a few days ago. Someone was getting WGBH 2.1 fine during the day, and at 7pm suddenly nothing. He took an an old AM radio and tuned it where there were no stations. Then he walked around with it and found that when he was near some LED bulbs he encountered a hum (poorly constructed bulbs!). He turned those lights off and started to get a pixelated signal (from nothing). Then, he walked towards his neighbors porch and the hum on the radio got very loud.

    Seems his neighbor had a timer on the back porch that turned a bright LED light on at 7pm every day. When the light was turned off he got WGBH 2.1 perfectly!

    I've read reports of bad LED street lights and transformers reeking havoc with Lo VHF signals as well. Contacting the station to complain about that could actually initiate an FCC action to fix those issues.
     
  16. ejbvt

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    This person was not concerned about the moved of these channels to RF 5 because he had a real antenna from the analog days. He hasn't posted since the repack, perhaps I will ask on that forum. Digital is a different beast than analog.

    Same idea... In NC, I plugged in Christmas lights into the same outlet as my antenna and it would cause my VHF station to pixelate. Unplug them, and it was fine. Plug them in a different outlet with an extension cord and it was fine.

    Do you have any problems with OTA now? It's your market that this person lives in too. Technically, it's my market, too, but I am too far away to get the actual Boston stations OTA.
     
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    Sometimes my AM21 will miss one of my stations (always the same one) when it is doing it's first "scan" though. If I don't clear it and run the set up again, it grabs it. Have you tried running the setup again without clearing it? If you do not receive stations from an additional market, have you tried putting your home zip in both fields?

    In your signature, it states that you have a HR54. Am I correct in assuming that it is displaying them correctly?
     
  18. Athlon646464

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    Yes, I'm in the Boston market, about 25-30 miles from the towers. There's a lot going on with nearly all the majors right now here since August 2nd.

    I'm able to receive all of them with a good antenna in the attic and pre-amp (50' RG6 run) pointed right at channel 38 near Boston. I even get all of the Providence stations as well (I'm actually closer to Providence than Boston). I'm using a Tablo for my OTA - gave up on the LCC and AM21.

    As for the difference between analog and digital - it's still all a RF signal. The end result is your digital tuner either gets it or it doesn't. An analog tuner would experience fade and/or ghosting with weak or bouncing signals, so you could get (see) something perhaps a little further away with everything else being the same.

    A 60 year old antenna in good shape will work just as well today as it did back in the day. It pains me to see ads on TV selling '4K' antennas, let alone 'HDTV' antennas.
     
  19. Indiana627

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    Yes my HR54 with LCC is getting all of my locals fine. It’s only the HR24 with AM21 that is now having issues since WIVT changed frequencies on 8/2. I have tried just rerunning setup on AM21 with no luck. I’ve also tried resetting the OTA settings and then running setup also with no luck. I do not get any channels from a secondary market.


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    Channel: 9-1, 9-2, 9-3
    Issue: they’re labeled as KAWEDT and getting guide data from those channels. They’re supposed to be (9-1) KMSP (Fox, same as sat 9 in Minneapolis); (9-2) WFTC (same as sat 29 in Minneapolis); and (9-3) Movies!

    9-4 (Buzzr), 9-5 (LightTV) are listed correctly and getting proper guide data


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