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Discussion in 'Hopper System Support Forum' started by dunkonu23, Aug 29, 2012.
Local installer's fibbing. One could be used at each Hopper, though; I don't know about two on one.
I win !
All we need now is firmware to make it work.
Hope there will be manual timers and the recycle bin with the upcoming firmware. Perhaps I am a little too wishful?
My sticking point is integration because one Hopper just doesn't have enough tuners to support the number of outlets in my home. If they made another model of Hopper that had 6 available tuners plus two OTAs then I'd go for that.
If they get two Hopper integration where they behave as one unit and share recorded lists, scheduled recordings and ORA tuners then I'm there. I'll cancel Time Warner that day.
If DirecTV adds the HD they are missing before Dish delivers, then I'll go with them since they have an integrated 5 tuner (plus 2 OTA) already out. I'd prefer Dish because the GUI is superior.
I wish we could get some idea of what is coming. I fail to understand why Dish release a unit dependent on client boxes with so few tuners for the clients to stream from.
Looks like the software will be rolling out tonight .
Will see ... if it's true.
Because the number of installs demanding such a thing is very small.
While it would be a nice feature to manage all the timers on a pair of Hoppers as one list is it really that hard to just set them up independently? Somehow I manage to do just that on the pair I have and it works fine. I can access any of the content from anywhere in my house regardless of where it was recorded. I can also manage the Hoppers from any remote Joey unit including the timers. They can also be managed via the internet from a browser anytime and anywhere.
My sister has a Time Warner DVR and it is just plain crap so I fail to see what hardware solution they have provided you that trumps the current Dish setup. It would also be nice to have two dozen tuners available but there is a limit to how many simultaneous streams any given hardware can handle reliably. I really do not need the OTA tuners but will most likely add one just to streamline my setup a bit. I currently have a dual tuner OTA setup on my Media Center PC and just stream it to XBOX 360's. Having OTA local to the Hopper/Joey setup would be a bit more convenient.
Can you manage one Hopper's timers from the other Hopper? Can you watch one Hoppers tuners from the other Hopper? A completely integrated solution would be nice, but failing that, at least the two functions could be somewhat useful.
$30 is pretty reasonable. I was expecting $50 or more. I guess I'll be working on putting up an antenna system sooner than I planned...
Still shows out of stock... what's the point in releasing something that nobody can buy?
It's close to being summer in the Southern Hemisphere...
S229 on all H's, S278 on all J's now . OTA software is here . Now for the hardware...
It's still a reasonable expectation if you have 4 outlets to have a system that can support at minimum 2 recordings and 4 live streams. There is certainly a demand for it.
It's an ease of use issue among multiple users. Integration is key. It's one of the main reasons I want to ditch these terrible Time Warner pieces of crap. Right now, I have 4 avaible tuners, but the DVR's can only see each other's recorded lists. They CAN'T see the scheduled recordings which results in duplicates and wasted tuners. When there are 4-5 people using the system it's imperitive to have integration. My wife may schedule something and then be looking for it on another unit, she doesn't see it scheduled and sets up a series recording for it. Now, both units are wasting space and tuners recording the same show twice. My point of leaving Time Warner is for a better solution.
My H/J is still at S222/S271 ... so not "all" yet.
Meant all of my receivers .
DISH probably should have limited their system so only one Joey could be used per Hopper. Would that make you happy?
The ability to add additional Joeys to a Hopper helps with lesser used sets and with sharing a tuner between locations that are not used at the same time. If all of your TVs are on at the same time and everyone wants to watch something live on different channels then I'd recommend a second or third Hopper.
Crippling the system so outputs do not exceed inputs is not the answer - and each Hopper is physically limited to three satellite tuners. Perhaps DISH should have designed it differently to add more tuners ... but it is what it is.
My better solution is training ... my wife and I both have a Hopper. We set our own recordings on each unit. If there is overlap big deal ... the hard drives are big enough to handle the overlap. The biggest conflict we had was deleting programs ... she would delete something I had not watched. Now with dedicated Hoppers, she only deletes stuff on her Hopper and life is happier.
Yea, training. So, you still have people running around to the Hoppers to verify whats set to record. It's not a matter of crippling anything. It's a completely reasonable request for anyone with a large home/multiple rooms. Some people just fail to see that. They don't need to redesign it if the software can be made to support the integration for those who need it. It wouldn't really even be an issue if the Hopper had six available tuners instead of three, but it doesn't so I'm looking at options to put together a system that can accomodate my needs. DirecTV had the wherewithal to at least do a 5 tuner host where three clients can stream with 2 tuners left or 4 clients with 1 tuner left. It's an issue of who has what you want. It seems no provider has a complete solution. I like DirecTV's setup/install better, but I've had a chance to use the Hopper at a demo and the GUI and HD channel selection is better with Dish.
Can anyone confirm exactly how a two Hopper setup works in this application? What are the limitations in respect to what I'm looking for?
Well, Tivo, D*, Ceton, Arris/Moxie, etc. say otherwise.
If Time Warner would give me the option to get an Arris Whole Home Gateway running the Moxi Software, I'd take that with a few Clients. They are hell bent on making subs suffer Navigator. I'm otherwise ok with Time Warner. Their HD line up crushes both satcos for what I want. (E* comes closest, hence why I'm here), but the DVR is just terrible. Without a solid DVR solution, I may as well cancel TV services. This is why I'm particular about getting a solid solution for my household needs.