OTA is Now Delayed Until "Early 2007" (Rumor?)

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  1. Nov 29, 2006 #41 of 538
    nocaster

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    This is truley upsetting. I'm not a demanding type of person, but I will call D* and expect some sort of compensation if this is true. D* expects me to honor a contract but they don't seem to be interested in honoring any date they have put forth.
     
  2. Nov 29, 2006 #42 of 538
    Stoodo

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    There are many other threads that have people complaining in them. Why don't you use one of those? :D
     
  3. Nov 29, 2006 #43 of 538
    bigdeps

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    We need guidence from Earl... Any news yet? This board is going to up in flames if he doesnt update that sticky!
     
  4. Nov 29, 2006 #44 of 538
    jbstix

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    IMO - bottom line is this: like many of us have been saying for weeks. It appears that the overall unstability of the HR20 is affecting other features to be released.
    For now OTA. I feel bad for the folks that only have OTA as their HD local choice, and that bought this box wanting to record OTA HD by Dec. 1 or even the end of the year.
    Only suggestion would be: buy and use a HR10-250 or use Windows Media Center to record OTA. or #2 switch to another provider (if you have an option)

    Remember- D* programmers can't even get rid of the "pink icon" bug, what makes you think OTA is coming anytime soon -
    You don't add features to a unit this unstable - period.
    *** I know some users HR20s are performing flawlessly, no need to post, my 2 HR20s have been performing well lately ***
    good luck
     
  5. Nov 29, 2006 #45 of 538
    Angelus7310

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    I just got off the phone with D*. Until now I have been very patient about the bugs and lack of OTA (one of the key selling points of the HR20 for me). When I spoke to the CSR's they all spent half of the time trying to convince me that I had an H20 receiver that was not a DVR. I couldn't believe that they didn't even know what equipment I was using. I did lease directly from them. After 3 CSR's, a few "specialists", and telling them that if I didn't get HD locals soon they would lose me as a customer, I was offered a waiver for the NY or LA feeds. Not any sort of monetary compensation. This waiver could take up to 45 days to complete. I am a little upset with D* especially since I have never heard of anyone from my area actually getting those waivers passed.

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  6. Nov 29, 2006 #46 of 538
    sigma1914

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    If I was D*, I'd offer customers access to national HD network feeds depending on where you're located and what you already receive. For example, those of you here who don't have mpeg4 Fox HD should be granted access to Fox E or W in HD(depending where you live) without needing waivors.
     
  7. Nov 29, 2006 #47 of 538
    Earl Bonovich

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    The sticky was updated, but with no different information then I have already given you all.

    I have not received any confirmation/denial...
    As of right now, everything is still the same as it was on Monday.

    My guidence......
    Relax and wind down a bit. OTA will happen.
    This is not a "future feature" that will never be activated.
     
  8. Nov 29, 2006 #48 of 538
    Earl Bonovich

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    Sadly, unless all the affiliates that would be effected by that agree to that. DirecTV is legally bound to not offer those channels. (aka the waivers)
     
  9. Nov 29, 2006 #49 of 538
    wtrax

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    Can anyone say for certain that it will make the HR20 more buggy to add OTA? To say they want to make a more stable box before they add OTA, is potentially just adding to the number of unsatisfied customers. If your box is already buggy how much worse could it be? Unless it completly screws up stable boxes, I can't think of any reason not to unlock it.
     
  10. Nov 29, 2006 #50 of 538
    Earl Bonovich

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    Who said they have even tried to get rid of it yet.... other then being a graphic "quirk"... at this point, it is so low on the list of things to "fix".

    And what makes me think OTA is coming anytime soon.... where should I begin.
     
  11. Nov 29, 2006 #51 of 538
    Milominderbinder2

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    First, I hope this does not set off a firestorm. If OTA is delayed we should know. It's that simple.
    This person is an employee. They are not in customer service. There is no URL. They told me before I left for Thanksgiving but I had to wait 7 days to say it.
    If a company knowingly misrepresents information, that could be fraudulent. I don't think that is the case. At one point OTA (Off-Air) was looking good enough that they moved the proposed delivery date up 30 days.

    D* has a flyer posted on their website that has this footnote on the second page:
    * ATSC tuner active late 2006.
    It also says: Updated September 2006. They have the flyer in webform here.

    On the other hand, D* VOD (Broadband Video) would theoretically bring 2,000 titles at launch. Slide 54 shows a sample screen. TVPredictions said yesterday that D* VOD will be delayed until 2007and not have HD initially.

    What follows are my guesses. Some may cancel locals once OTA becomes available. OTA may be revenue neutral or even negative. D VOD could be a cash cow. More importantly, D VOD positions them with the breadth of broadband cable and the nationwide availabillity of satellite.

    For a for-profit company, projected revenue drives allocation of resources.

    Take care,

    - Craig
     
  12. Nov 29, 2006 #52 of 538
    gr8reb8

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    I would suggest providing a menu option that would let us enable/disable mpeg4 and enable/disable ota. My HR20 stability took a nosedive when my local stations were mpeg4 enabled about two weeks ago.
     
  13. Nov 29, 2006 #53 of 538
    newcs

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    I can't agree with you more. I don't think it would cause any problems to activate the OTA feature. Many would disagree however.
     
  14. Nov 29, 2006 #54 of 538
    jbstix

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    My point was that the "pink icon" bug seems like an easy quck fix - regardless of where it lies on the list of things to fix. No biggie for me, just using it as an example. But you make an interesting point about the "list of things to fix".
    Again, IMO if this unit was a little more stable just in basic DVR issues, the "list of fixes" would be much smaller.

    I'm sure this has been a frustrating day for you Earl, which is unfortunate.
    It's ridiculous that a company the size of D* has to rely on someone (not even employed by them) to be the messenger and take the brunt of a lot of frustration. I appreciate greatly what you do for the DBS site, but it has to get old sometimes...
    It seems today you have no different or better information than the CSR's, and I think that may scare people a little who just want to know what's really going on.

    as always this is just my humble opinion.

    Thanks Earl, hang in there
     
  15. Nov 29, 2006 #55 of 538
    Tom Robertson

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    From time to time I remember to put myself into Earls shoes. (Thank God, he washes!)

    Earl, you have done an awesome job in so very many ways. You've clearly articulated that which D* will not articulate on their own. (Unless you really do work for D* :) and even if you did, you are doing an awesome job.)

    You've let the shat fly all around you without taking things personally. As much as we try not to shoot the messenger, you've still done an amazing job dodging the stray fire unintentionally headed your way. (And the stuff intentionally headed your way sent by cretins without class.)

    You've worked incredible hours on something many here call "Just TV".

    And you've maintained an excellent sense of humor. (Even if your jokes aren't really that funny. JUST KIDDING! They usually are funny, apt, and just the right thing.) :) :) :)

    So, I doff my cap in your honor. And I thank you, simply and sincerely.
    Tom
     
  16. Nov 29, 2006 #56 of 538
    wingznut

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    A little off subject, but still quite related....

    I'm in Portland, OR and we only get two local HD feeds from DirecTV (NBC and FOX)... What causes the hold up in getting the other channels?
     
  17. Nov 29, 2006 #57 of 538
    Tom Robertson

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    Almost always it is a matter of the local stations not reaching agreement to be carried in HD. Thru local station engineers here in SLC and posts on other AVS forums threads, I believe that when D* turns on a new DMA, they are technically ready to at least turn on the big4 immediately--as soon as the agreements are done.

    Cheers,
    Tom

    And welcome to the forums! :welcome_s
     
  18. Nov 29, 2006 #58 of 538
    hjplano

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    I'm with Earl, my HR20 was installed a few weeks ago and the dope who installed it said no need for OTA, all over satellite. The supervisor came out said early 07; I'm confident OTA will be enabled shortly.
     
  19. Nov 29, 2006 #59 of 538
    wingznut

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    Thanks for the welcome... I've been a lurker ever since I got my HR-20 a number of weeks ago. ;)


    I guess I don't get what there is to come to agreement with. Seems as though it's a no-brainer win-win for both parties (D* and the local network) involved. *shrug* :nono:
     
  20. Nov 29, 2006 #60 of 538
    LameLefty

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    Don't need OTA here - Nashville MPEG4 HDs are pretty good to excellent all the time. What we DO need is stability and confidence. I don't want another batch of 10 bad recordings set off by a ch. 95 "poison pill" NFL HD game (MPEG2 by the way, for all those who blame MPEG4 for all the troubles), nor do I want a complete GUI lockup while simply browsing my Playlist like I had last Monday evening - but at least I didn't lose any recordings that time.

    Once those things are fixed, THEN worry about adding a huge new feature-set like OTA. And fixing the silly pink FF icon at the same time. ;)
     
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