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OTA local guide info lost

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by He Save Dave, Jul 2, 2006.

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  1. kb7oeb

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    Jun 16, 2004
    How do you set a NBR timer for "Local Digital"? Sure its a big limitation but a couple hours worth is better than nothing.
  2. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    Don't take it personally... and I agree that it is a poor decision by Dish to make people pay for locals just to get the OTA guide info!

    But, PSIP is not the answer. Do some investigating into the OTA channels in your area and I suspect you'll find the same as most of the rest of us who have checked... some channels have info, others don't. Some subchannels have it, others don't. And there's just about no one you can call at the local TV stations who will admit to knowing how PSIP works for their channel OR what to do when problems are reported.

    I wish PSIP was reliable so then we could ask Dish to implement it... but PSIP in many cases is just not reliable enough for the needs of the DVR folk... and I agree with PSIP out of Dish's hands, they would field all the complaints and have no chance at all of fixing timer problems with PSIP data errors.

    At least with their own guide they have a fighting chance at correcting guide problems.
  3. garys

    garys Hall Of Fame

    Nov 4, 2005
    NBR would not work in this case as "Local Digital" is usually set for many hours and would try to record the first one or all as there is info. Setting a Manual Timer would do it but would not be able to keep up if program times are changed.
  4. kb7oeb

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    Jun 16, 2004
    That was my point in response to Ron Barry's post. I should have quoted but was feeling lazy :)

    I don't and I understand the limitations. I do use the PSIP guide on my TV , I have to for PBS and it works fine, I know thats not true everywhere but its usually works here. The big limitation is its usually only for 6 hours worth and the receiver would have to tune every station and download data. I agree its better for dish to provide they guide but they are not doing it for every station.

    The PSIP guide will get better, stations are required by the FCC to provide accurate guide data. I've even emailed stations when their guide wasn't working and they usually have it fixed a short time later.
  5. Ron Barry

    Ron Barry 622 Tips & Trick Keeper

    Dec 10, 2002
    Guess I should then respond.... You don't however PSIP support maybe in your circumstance might provide a solution but in the bigger picture I think it would create more issues than it solves.

    I am well aware there are holes in the Dish's current Guide model. Yeck at one time I thought about providing some place where these wholes could be documented so that users were aware of the level of support they could expect for a given DMA. Add the fact that some people fall into multiple DMAs and there are other edge conditions that make the whole guide thing a mess. Definitely a YMMV, but PSIP would only add to the mess.

    Perhaps you see it addressing that one particular need, but in terms of consistence across the nation, PSIP is not even close to filling the gap.

    You brought up one good point yourself. You only get 6 hours worth of information. Well Dish gives you 9 days so what you would create if you combined the two would be areas with partial coverage for some channels while full coverage for others. As a someone up on technology that might not seem too bad, because some is better than none. But for the general Dish customer, I could easily seem them getting confused and consider it a bug. A bug that dish cannot address. Then what happens when the station provides wrong guide info. Well, like I said.. I once thought it was a good idea and would address some of the issues mentioned here but the more I thought of it the more I saw it opening a can of worms to an already wormy situation.

    I see the inability to provide guide information for all stations as a issue with their current process and one I am sure they will continue to struggle with. As for their competition across the nation, I wonder how D* stacks up with OTA guide support.
  6. Jim5506

    Jim5506 Hall Of Fame

    Jun 7, 2004
    My TiVo is even providing Guide Info for National Geographic HD. I have my TiVo Series 2 connected to TV1 on my 622 and it has more info than the Dish Guide.
  7. Michael P

    Michael P Hall Of Fame

    Oct 27, 2004
    E* had already solved the problem of multiple DMA's in the 921's s/w version 215. It put out-of-DMA stations "in the red" in the 8000's so that the guide data would populate the OTA station. Unfortunately it also gave guide date to ...gasp... those who were not paying for their locals. They quiclkly came out with 216 which wacked every OTA station in your guide if it was available as an LIL. Only subchannels and PBS stations were left in my guide. They had to geive me free LIL's until the next software version was spoled.

    They need to do something for those of us without LIL subscriotions. Right now on an OTA station when I set-up a timer on the fly (I.E. the program is about to begin or already in progress) The EPG and brouse banner are out of sync, causing the end time to already be past the current time. If I did not catch this the recorder would run on forever (or until the HD filled up). This only happens on "Local Program" listings inthe EPG.

    I tried to contact the CEO office about this issue, but they refuse to return my e-mails and phone calls. I feel I have been put on a black list (what, they don like my sig file?)
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