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PAC-12 and DISH have deal

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  1. kick4fun

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    YES yes yes
     
  3. fleckrj

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    How do you expect to compare? Peak viewers during a football game might be higher on PAC 12 than for any single three hour period on any of the Viacom channels, although I am not even sure about that. Pick any time that a live football game or basketball game is not on the PAC 12 network, and the viewership on Nickelodean is probably going to be higher. So, the PAC 12 network might outdraw Nickelodean for 6 to 9 hours per week, and Nickelodean will outdraw the PAC network for the remaining 87 to 90 hours per week.

    If an SEC or Notre Dame football game is on opposite the PAC 12 football game, the SEC or Notre Dame football game will outdraw the PAC 12 game east of the Rockies, and probably for the entire country. In the local markets of the PAC 12 teams playing, the PAC 12 game might have the most viewers, but with the possible exception of the Oregon/Stanford game, no PAC 12 game is going to have as much national interest as an SEC or Notre Dame game.
     
  4. maartena

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    I am blaming both.

    What I am saying is that we as customers don't know the deal being offered by PAC12, nor do we know the counter offer being put on the table by DirecTV.

    How in your good conscience can you blame just ONE side, if neither side is willing to give the details? What we are seeing however, is how they deal with the media, and the public. That has been fairly civil up until this week, with both parties keeping relatively restrained. But PAC12 has upped the ante, and has gotten the 12 schools to rally for them against DirecTV. It's easy to buy that of course, but it isn't necessarily a determination of who is right, and who is wrong.

    Regarding whether they could get the same deal: I believe that commercial accounts for sports bars come in to play. DirecTV has more than 95% of the sports bar market, and I actually think that they probably almost have 100% of bars that specifically market themselves as "sports". Your neighborhood bad might have cable and focuses on just the local teams, but that isn't a sports bar really. And although we don't know any of the details, I am suspecting that this is part of the problem here. Also, the fact that cable and Dish have paid PAC12 what they wanted, does not automatically mean it is the right thing. Cable providers aren't putting the network on a lot of markets outside of the PAC12 territory, and Dish has lost a lot of sports over the recent years, but hasn't reduced its price. It has not raised its price last year, probably because they had a little bit of room in their budget.

    It's just VERY easy to find a scape goat, as that means you don't have to think. It doesn't mean however that the scape goat you have targeted, is really at fault. We don't know, and we really can't know. All I am seeing is what is being played out in the media, and that seems to favor DirecTV more than it does PAC12.
     
  5. kick4fun

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    You think that #2 ranked USC does worse than an SEC game? wow.. EAST COAST BIAS
     
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    Yet ALL official school twitter accounts had the SAME exact message going out to the public. Regardless, there was organization and coordination involved between the schools, and since they are affiliated with PAC12, they probably don't want to fire off their hate towards the organization who supports their sports programs with media coverage.

    It still does NOT mean DirecTV is therefore at fault.
     
  7. kick4fun

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    This is the one area you have nailed it on the head, the commercial accounts.. I also think ROOT Sports is a huge burden now to Directv.. Without college Pac12 sports, what else is there.. Local access to MLB and that's it! If you don't live in the region, guess what?? You have to subscribe to the MLB package.. MOSTLY DEAD AIR... Put on Pac12 and you get more views..
     
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    I think we have hit on the key issue here, there are some (many) of us that really want Pac 12 Network(s) and it's a channel we would/will watch reguarly. While there are other channels we hear about in contact fights (Viacom) that we don't watch nor does anyone in our families. I can count over 100 channels I probably never watch. The frustration for many of us is we help cover the cost of those channels for them masses, yet when we feel we really want a channel we get shouted at/shot down for stating the reason and facts we want this paticular channel. Many of us came to D* becuase of the sports offered, I know for me that was the biggest reason I made the switch 5 yrs ago. To now be stuck in a fight for a channel as a family we really want it is frustrating.

    On a side note, did anyone catch Dan Patrick today? I had to find it rather ironic they had Rick Neuheisel on today. They talked about how he was part of the Pac 12 network and even posted the times for the Pac 12 Networks shows he is on. Seemed rather funny to see that info coming across when you're watching it on The Audience Network and The Dan Patrick Show is owned by DirecTV. (I know other providers show it on TV)
     
  9. kick4fun

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    Nor does it prove that Pac12 Networks orchestrated the "attack"
     
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  11. kick4fun

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    Thank you for expressing my frustrations.. It seems a lot of people here just want to shoot us down for wanting Pac12 networks when the other 4 out of 5 carriers believe the fans want it.. I know I can switch providers, but I played that game back in the day when I believed Directv was the leader in sports.. I WANT MY PAC12 NETWORKS!
     
  12. donm

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    I think you basically right. I have been emailing and calling all 3 Directv, Charter and The Pac 12 Network. I think they are all probably partially wrong. I'm not taking a side because of who is wrong. I just want it to get done and if I can believe the Pac 12 (that is a big if) that they are offering the same deal to all the top providers I'm not sure what else the Pac 12 can do. Sure they can throw in a little bonus like Dish got with exclusive signage etc but the basic deal is going to be the same. I do think it is very possible that the Directv hold up is the business accounts. I'm not sure what Charter's hold up could be though. Charter is getting bombarded a lot more then Directv.
     
  13. sigma1914

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    I respect you and others here, thanks.



    Let's look at college football ratings thus far on national networks.

    Last Friday’s Tennessee/North Carolina State college football game drew a 0.8 U.S. rating and 1.491 million viewers on ESPNU, the network’s most-viewed college football telecast ever. ... The debut of regular season college football on the FOX broadcast network, pitting unranked Hawaii against #1 USC, earned a mere 1.2 final rating and 1.823 million viewers Saturday night.
    The big game between Alabama & Michigan got 7.918 million viewers.
    Monday’s Georgia Tech/Virginia Tech college football game drew a 4.306 million viewers on ESPN.
    http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/201...s-espnu-record-also-hawaiiusc-ga-techva-tech/

    The Florida/Texas A&M college football game drew a 2.9 U.S. rating and 4.531 million viewers on ESPN Saturday afternoon...
    The telecast attracted the second-largest college football audience of the weekend, trailing only regional action on ABC airing at the same time (3.3, 4.709M).
    ESPN2's 2 highest rated games ever are 2009 Pittsburgh/West Virginia (4.137 million) and 2012 Georgia/Missouri (4.119 million).
    http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/201...ou-am-attract-solid-tv-numbers-in-sec-debuts/



    So, I think Pac12 Network could probably get those numbers or close with a game like USC/Oregon. However, games like ASU/Colorado won't get close.

    See my point about Viacom not really being crap because they get ratings? I'll take football over Jersey Shore or Nickelodeon any day, but ratings are ratings.

    Bear Bown Arizona!
     
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    My bad. I meant Oregon/USC - not Oregon/Stanford. The only Stanford game that will outdraw an SEC game is the Stanford/Notre Dame game, and that is because Notre Dame, regardless of how bad they are, will draw a huge number of viewers.
     
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    Root Sports wouldn't be the first 1-team pro sports network. And they can always tone it down to part-time HD if needed. Root Sports is also OWNED by DirecTV, so there aren't the same type of carriage rights. For the NW region, it really means that they DIDN'T have to pay for PAC12 sports on their satellite system before, where now they WILL have to. (Not taking in to account what ROOT paid to PAC12)

    In other areas, such as Los Angeles, the price for Fox Sports is still set in stone and in contract. But now they have to pay MORE to get PAC12 sports on top of that, and pay MORE later in the year to get the Lakers on TWC Sportsnet.

    So there is a LOT of money flowing around, and I understand that DirecTV doesn't just want to sign any deal and pass it on to their customers.

    The RSN's losing PAC12 can also focus on other sports. In the Los Angeles area you have a lot of "minor" NCAA universities, such as Irvine, Fullerton, Loyola Marymount, Long Beach, and several other... and those games will get more media attention now that the Lakers and all the PAC12 sports are off of Fox Sports net, as the 2 RSN's here were really pretty cramped. I could see the same happening in the North West, the NCAA has plenty of "minor" universities that are too small for any big conference, but have a loyal following.

    Fullerton baseball is one of my favorites locally, and when they play Irvine, I like to tune in. Coverage was rare due to scheduling conflicts, but I understood this may change a little now.
     
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    That tells me DirecTV isn't using it's assets to target PAC12. They are remaining neutral, and are just reporting "as is", and that includes telling people where they can watch what programming, even if it isn't on DirecTV (yet).
     
  17. kick4fun

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    OK, I'm a huge WSU fan, which means the bottom of the PAC12.. but... the WSU vs. BYU game drew 2.2 million viewers.. I couldn't go to the local Buffalo Wild Wings for our viewing party, I had to stream the game via laptop and HDMI and had a get together at my house.. Small game, decent draw.. https://twitter.com/vakaviti/status/242491667247161344
     
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    I know the Audience Network is owned by Directv but I believe The Dan Patrick Show is being paid to be carried by the Audience Network. I could be wrong about that though.
     
  19. sigma1914

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    I do. USC/Hawaii got 1.823 million viewers.

    SEC South Carolina/Vanderbilt game drew 4.129 million viewers.
     
  20. sigma1914

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    Why did you stream it? It was on ESPN.
     
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