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PAC-12 and DISH have deal

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by DC_SnDvl, Sep 8, 2012.

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  1. sum_random_dork

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    The Dan Patrick Show is owned by DirecTV, they distribute it to the other FSN channels and also FOX Sports Radio. That's why I found it funny and ironic.
     
  2. kick4fun

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    woops, I meant I streamed the WSU vs. Eastern game.. sorry.. Watched both games.. Had 2 viewing parties.. THE BYU game was at BWW, the Eastern was at my house.. And tonight, also on ESPN.. FUN FUN FUN.. :) I still want Pac12 networks though.
     
  3. donm

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    OK thanks I didn't know that.
     
  4. tonyd79

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    Innocence by parsing words.

    No. Some fan base manage to get all 12 schools to tweet the same thing.

    Uh huh.

    So let's parse words. PAC 12 claims all systems had same offer. Cant happen. Cable and satellite are different animals. Can't be the same offer. Either they are stretching the truth or are clueless.

    As the dish setup is not like the cable systems now. So how can they all have the same deal?

    Come on, man.
     
  5. donm

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    What the Pac 12 is saying the cable company's are all offered basically the same deal and Directv is basic offered the same deal as Dish. Of coarse there are going to be some small differences but the bottom like they are very close deals.

    Plus the tweet attacks were not all the same tweets like some people said. There is a basic tweet on the Channel finder on the Pac 12 Network which many people used because they are lazy.
     
  6. tonyd79

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    Will you stop saying anyone wants to shoot you down. Everyone on this thread wants the PAC 12 network. It is HOW it is obtained that we are discussing. And WHY it is not on directv. How is that shooting you down.

    What we are disagreeing with you in is the cause. You just want to dump on directv but more and more it looks like PAC 12 is following the Viacom path of negotiations. That doesn't work well.
     
  7. kick4fun

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    I don't want to dump on Directv nor ever suggested that.. I said STRONGLY ENCOURAGE.. others here have questioned the model or the validity of PAC12 networks..
     
  8. tonyd79

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    Ah. So orchestrated by the PAC 12.
     
  9. maartena

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    Exactly.

    The deals are structured differently. Most cable outlets are using the "1 local, 1 national" approach, but they aren't offering the national network nationwide. Some markets have all 7 channels (mainly in Hawaii where both TWC and Hawaiian Telecom offer all 7). Dish only offers the national channel with football and basketball overflow. Then there is differences in what they offer online: TWC does not offer access to all the "live" channels, just to live sporting events, whereas Comcast allows access to the "live" channels, but only if your market carries the channel.

    There are SO many differences between the deal that we can see from the outside, it would be easy to conclude that for those deals there is also a different financial number attached to them.

    So PAC12 is lying if they say "all deals are the same", because they are clearly not.
     
  10. tonyd79

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    Okay. I believe you. Your zeal just gets the better of the words sometimes. Understandable as you want to watch your school. And your conference.
     
  11. donm

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    No, it was not orchestrated by the Pac 12. On the Pac 12 Network site there is a channel finder. You put in your zip code and it will tell you what providers carry the Pac 12 Network. If none carry it they have a standard tweet you can use to tweet your provider to request the Pac 12 network. It wasn't setup for the tweet attaches but was setup before The Pac 12 network was even started.
     
  12. kick4fun

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    I'm moving to Hawaii.. That's it!
     
  13. tonyd79

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    Sounds centrally planned to me.
     
  14. maartena

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    It depends on what you consider "small differences". Comcast offering access to all "live" channels 24/7 online is quite a difference from TWC's approach who just offers live sporting events. Also the fact that the National Network seems to be carried by most TWC markets, whereas Comcast doesn't carry it much beyond the PAC12 territory seems to indicate there are differences in carriage as well.

    Additionally, Dish does not have (or barely has any) commercial accounts, and that is a different group of customers, in particular one that offers public viewing of content. The access to online content might also come in to play here, especially in sports book bars in Las Vegas, where people still might want to bet (and see) on college baseball, even if the game is not shown on a "Dish type" deal.

    The fact of the matter remains: We don't know the specifics. We don't know what Comcast or TWC or Dish paid for the networks. Saying the deal is "comparable to the deal Dish made" really means nothing. It would be the same as saying that you paid $20k for a Ford Escape with sunroof, leather interior, and a backseat dvd player for the kids, and me paying $20.5k for a Ford Escape with tow package, four wheel drive and satellite radio.

    The deal is "comparable", but we're getting cars meant for a different audience. One for a mom toting their kids around town with nice cushy seats, one for going off-road, taking your toys in tow, and still being able to listen to music in the middle of nowhere.
     
  15. tonyd79

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    Ah. Don't we all wish we could.
     
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    Will you stop making sense?

    :)
     
  17. kick4fun

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    Boy, we sure keep going round and round on this... You want Pac12 for the field hockey, I want football (EGG BALL) and basketball.. No one knows which deals are out there.. I think we are all anxious.
    I say who cares how we get, you say let's be cautious..
    In the end, we are all little pawns in the big TV Network negotiations.. I just want Pac12 Networks
     
  18. maartena

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    TWC offers the national network in HD, the other 6 in SD.
    Hawaiian Telecom offers the National Network, the Los Angeles network, and the Oregon network in HD, the other four in SD.

    So for YOUR team's sports, you'd have to settle for SD. If a football game is broadcasted exclusively on the Washington PAC12 channel, Hawaiians will see it in SD, whereas Dish customers will see it in HD on a "football feed" of the channel.
     
  19. donm

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    I agree with you but I do think the cable company's got basically the same deal it is up to them to do what they want when implementing. Comcast didn't want to use the standard Pac 12 streaming and wanted it on their exclusive stream. Also Comcast didn't want to carry it in markets that they didn't think was important where some of the other cable company's did carry it in those locations. I do think it is partially the Pac 12 Networks fault because they are new to this stuff and left loop holes for the cable company's to by pass what the Pac 12 originally wanted.
     
  20. maartena

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    Well, let me put it to you this way: I am not prepared to pay more just to get the networks. If they are already part of the sports package, that is fine by me as I subscribe to that. And I subscribe to that mainly for an SD channel too, Universal Sports. (Winter sports coming up, YEAH!! Let the luge and bobsledding commence!! And speed skating!)

    If PAC12 comes as an extra package, I won't buy it. Field hockey isn't worth THAT much to me. Track and Field is usually also shown on Universal Sports as there is a different type of rights structure for events where all universities participate in, and there isn't a "home" or "away" team. Also, athletes not affiliated with a university still compete in those.

    In the end, I believe that DirecTV is right in holding out as long as possible to get the best possible deal. And as long as subscribers are NOT speaking with their wallets, there is little reason to change that stance.
     
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